animal painter

(not including Milwaukee, since we already know
that verse is correct…just can’t dig it up!!)

How do we know that, I mean aren’t we more sure about Houston?
anyway on the verse 7 Treasure island link, there is a boyscout camp located in PA(I think)
It is called Treasure Island and is still open.
it originally opened in 1913  someone should check into that also… I think it actually opened in May…

I think that’s brilliant!
There was a similar clue in
The Golden Apple Tale
hunt: “Miss Muffet’s meal didn’t cost a dime” = “free whey” = “freeway.”

bemo12

At stone wall’s door
There is a Jackson Square in Boston that is fenced in and above street level surrounded by a stone wall

I also like it miyaka…don’t shoot yourself down (there are plenty around here who will do that in time
).  That is actually something that has never {to my knowledge} been brought up before and I think it is brilliant.  With all of the roadblocks we have run into as of late, I am beginning to wonder if we need to start looking for more wordplay and less literal.  I have recently began looking for centers of a lot of electricity lately ‘at a place where joules abound’…
Welcome to the hunt bemo!  I think you may be getting your V’s mixed up as well but I like your ideas.  I was really interested when you posted:
…the odd connectivity rears its ugly head once again FB.

Thanks for the kind welcome. I’m not sure why you think I am mixing my verses up but I have pasted Verse 7 here and this is what I have so far.
At stone wall’s door
The aformentioned stonewalled Jackson Square in Boston.
The air smells sweet
Not far away
Chestnut Ave is right beside this road.
High posts are three
Education and Justice
For all to see
Frederick LAW Olmstead designed the park system in the area. Very tentative and weak but I have shot an email to the local historical society seeing if they can pinpoint something else in that area.
Sounds from the sky
This area is right in the flight path of one of the local airports and there are constantly planes flying overhead. I don’t know about 1981 though.
Near ace is high
There is an Ace’s High bar that another poster found on this board, it actually is right in the vicinity of where I was looking. Also ACER is a type of tree and Arnold’s Arboretum is famous for having a great display of Acer trees.
Running north, but first across
Centre Street runs north after cross over to the park. Weak connection again.
In jewel’s direction
The park system is called the Emerald Necklace Parks System and the individual parks are referenced as jewels. Also of note, one of the parks in question is Arnold’s Arboretum and this is run by Harvard, and knowing BP’s connection to Harvard. Also there seems to be a lot of conjecture about parks designed by Frederick Law Olmstead. He designed the Emerald Necklace Park System.
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
There is a Sawyer Rd in the vicinity and also Lamartine Rd. As mentioned before Lamartine is a French poet that Twain mention in a famous quote.
Giant pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept.
There is a park in Jackson Square with a huge pole in the middle of it. I’ve heard that some of the verses may be out of order so this might fit, but it is a stretch. Right now my money is on the Arnold’s Arboretum but I don’t yet know what the Giant pole is.
Anyways, this is what I have so far. If anyone wants to help out in proving me wrong I would appreciate it greatly, if not I’m gonna research my butt off focusing this verse with Boston until I prove myself wrong.

There is no way to prove somebody wrong, short of finding a casque elsewhere.
Until then Your theory is as good as the next.
Question?  With all the jewel references have you looked at trying to apply verse 2?

Youve offered some good perspective.  At first I thought you missed the point.  The Ohio reference is worth a moment of head scratching, but all I was going for was whether Alcatraz checks out as a penitentiary.  Calling it a colloquial pen fits the style of Twain.  I’m not looking at the term as a nickname to compete with the well known nick The Rock.
So malted, are you willing to have a go at this spot?

Hi guys, I hope this could be of help: possible epiphany for verse 7
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7362

Apologies if it’s been mentioned previously (I couldn’t find reference to it via the search function), but I wondered if the ‘giant pole’ might be the TOTEM KWAKIUTL on Île Notre-Dame, Montreal. It was constructed in 1967 (which would match with the ’67’ on the flower in Image 9, and at 21.3 metres tall could certainly be termed ‘giant’. The Candian grand prix has been held on the Île Notre-Dame since 1978, which could explain all the chequered (flag) references in Image 9.
The base of the Totem is surrounded by a circular stone/concrete base, but it doesn’t seem beyond the realms of possibility to take a ‘giant step’ from the pole itself over the base to the grass beyond.
Admittedly, I haven’t done much work yet to explain why other elements of Verse 7 might point to Montreal…

maltedfalcon

Id be happy to believe you if anybody can suggest a different verse that matches SF and image 1
but logically if you think verse 7 leads to no longer workable solution.
That should make it easier to associate another verse with image 1
or conversly if verse7 leads to a dead end using your interpretation.
and given no interpretation can be called a “solution” until a casque is uncovered.
logically you should then eliminate verse 7 from your idea and try to fit another verse in place.
for example, my interpretation of verse 7 leads to a particular spot in GGpark, knowing that about 10 years ago a huge trencher dug a ditch through that area. I can either give up or try to fit other verses into SF.
Im certainly not giving up.

By all means, do not give up your ideas, I am just expressing my beliefs and interpretations.
I have penciled in verse six to go with image one (but that is purely due to elimination)
The other reason I have verse six linked to San Fransico is the first line:
“Of all the romance retold”  This has been postitively and uniquely lined to “Treasure Island”
by RLS.
One of the two islands that hold up a section of the Bay Bridge is “Treasure Island”

Hi all!!! This is fox’s wife. He asked me to post our findings and following discussion regarding the New Orleans casque.  I would post under my own user name but I am still in the review stage. Now I know that everyone believes that this verse goes to San Francisco but……yes you knew it was coming….we, though Fox is still holding out for the other verse, now believe that this verse goes with Jackson Square.  Now let me start by saying that I did not want to get involved with this hunt. I did Treasure’s Trove and got burned and so I did not want to get involved with anything else. I was, however, reluctantly pulled into researching and digging on this one. That being the case, I know that everyone here has done a ton of research and I read it this morning while waiting for our munchkin to wake up. I am only bringing a fresh perspective to this….
We all agree that image 7 is New Orleans. We feel that Jackson Square and it’s layout confirm that.
to see the map, google map with Jackson square, new orleans
If you rotate it (the map) 90 degrees, it matches the clock face down to the arches and jewel. Also notice that the space above the arch is called the moon walk, hence the moon and stars in the P7.
As for the verse…
At stone wall’s door
— The battleship Stonewall Jackson sunk the Veruna which was carrying Union soldiers. This occured in the Mississippi River near New Orleans. In fact the ship was stationed just south of NO; this could also be a play on words with stonewall jackson bringing you to the mississippi river at the point of Jackson square (andrew jackson)
The air smells sweet
–Jackson Square is at the edge of the Fresh Market, the oldest open air market in the US, which is where Cafe du Monde is and also Magnola trees are all around and smell lovely when in bloom
Not far away
–across Jackson Square
High posts are three
–the spires on the St. Louis Cathedral
Education and Justice
— the Cabildo, which was once a Supreme Court, and the Presbytere which is a museum
For all to see
–These buildings are very prominant
Sounds from the sky
–perhaps the segulls? there are a ton of them here
Near ace is high
–NO was the first gambling city in the US. In fact, when gambling was outlawed thru the rest of LA, it continues to enjoy the prosperity brought by gambling for more than 100 years. From the moonwalk, you can see the old Jackson brewing company which has a big JAX on the side. Jack, king or queen force the ace high in blackjack to give you 21.
Running north, but first across
–this could pertain to the mississippi river. not necessarily the way it flows, but the route of the river. If you look, the river goes across the lower part of LA before going north
In jewel’s direction
–I feel like this should be in () and these lines would read “Running north, but first across Is an object Of Twain’s attention” with the “in jewels direction” as a kind of side note
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
— again the Mississippi river. He loved it and that was where he picked up his nom de plume. “Mark twain”  whiich is a Mississippi river term that means that is safe to navigate, safe depth for a steam boat, 2 fathoms
Giant pole
— not sure yet
Giant step
–not sure yet but I assume that these will be the markers that reveal the hiding place. We are going back today to finalize this theory.
To the place
The casque is kept
Would love it if one of you guys could post a side by side comparison.
Let me know what you think.  We are headed down there now and will update you when we get back.
Fox and Mrs.

Would love it if one of you guys could post a side by side comparison.
Comparison between what and what?

sorry, side by side comparioson of arial of Jackson Sqaure and P7

fox

Hi all!!! This is fox’s wife. He asked me to post our findings and following discussion regarding the New Orleans casque.  I would post under my own user name but I am still in the review stage. Now I know that everyone believes that this verse goes to San Francisco but……yes you knew it was coming….we, though Fox is still holding out for the other verse, now believe that this verse goes with Jackson Square.  Now let me start by saying that I did not want to get involved with this hunt. I did Treasure’s Trove and got burned and so I did not want to get involved with anything else. I was, however, reluctantly pulled into researching and digging on this one. That being the case, I know that everyone here has done a ton of research and I read it this morning while waiting for our munchkin to wake up. I am only bringing a fresh perspective to this….
We all agree that image 7 is New Orleans. We feel that Jackson Square and it’s layout confirm that.
to see the map, google map with Jackson square, new orleans
If you rotate it (the map) 90 degrees, it matches the clock face down to the arches and jewel. Also notice that the space above the arch is called the moon walk, hence the moon and stars in the P7.
As for the verse…
At stone wall’s door
— The battleship Stonewall Jackson sunk the Veruna which was carrying Union soldiers. This occured in the Mississippi River near New Orleans. In fact the ship was stationed just south of NO; this could also be a play on words with stonewall jackson bringing you to the mississippi river at the point of Jackson square (andrew jackson)
The air smells sweet
–Jackson Square is at the edge of the Fresh Market, the oldest open air market in the US, which is where Cafe du Monde is and also Magnola trees are all around and smell lovely when in bloom
Not far away
–across Jackson Square
High posts are three
–the spires on the St. Louis Cathedral
Education and Justice
— the Cabildo, which was once a Supreme Court, and the Presbytere which is a museum
For all to see
–These buildings are very prominant
Sounds from the sky
–perhaps the segulls? there are a ton of them here
Near ace is high
–NO was the first gambling city in the US. In fact, when gambling was outlawed thru the rest of LA, it continues to enjoy the prosperity brought by gambling for more than 100 years. From the moonwalk, you can see the old Jackson brewing company which has a big JAX on the side. Jack, king or queen force the ace high in blackjack to give you 21.
Running north, but first across
–this could pertain to the mississippi river. not necessarily the way it flows, but the route of the river. If you look, the river goes across the lower part of LA before going north
In jewel’s direction
–I feel like this should be in () and these lines would read “Running north, but first across Is an object Of Twain’s attention” with the “in jewels direction” as a kind of side note
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
— again the Mississippi river. He loved it and that was where he picked up his nom de plume. “Mark twain”  whiich is a Mississippi river term that means that is safe to navigate, safe depth for a steam boat, 2 fathoms
Giant pole
— not sure yet
Giant step
–not sure yet but I assume that these will be the markers that reveal the hiding place. We are going back today to finalize this theory.
To the place
The casque is kept
Would love it if one of you guys could post a side by side comparison.
Let me know what you think.  We are headed down there now and will update you when we get back.
Fox and Mrs.

This is in essence my solution documented o the wiki and here a number of months ago.
“Sounds from the sky”  The park at the river across the street from Jackson square is called “Artillery Park”
The Moon Walk wasn’t designed/named in 1981 – it was designated later.
The verse has you walk along the river from Jackson Square to the Canal Street Ferry Dock
(A deckhand would be concerned about the Twain (depth) when the boat was docking)
Not there anymore, moved in 1986, was Liberty Place.  With the Liberty Monument
(a giant obelisk)  It stood at the foot of Canal Street – along the Trolley Tracks.
It was surrounded by a small park (in the middle of the street)
This is the Giant Pole.
Take a Giant step from the Monument towards the Ferry Dock (south)
and that was where the casque was buried.
(To the place the casque was kept – Liberty Place)
Too bad it wasn’t freed in time.

I have the area (at the time) documented with photos earlier in this (and image seven) thread.

Id be happy to believe you if anybody can suggest a different verse that matches SF and image 1
but logically if you think verse 7 leads to no longer workable solution.
That should make it easier to associate another verse with image 1
or conversly if verse7 leads to a dead end using your interpretation.
and given no interpretation can be called a “solution” until a casque is uncovered.
logically you should then eliminate verse 7 from your idea and try to fit another verse in place.
for example, my interpretation of verse 7 leads to a particular spot in GGpark, knowing that about 10 years ago a huge trencher dug a ditch through that area. I can either give up or try to fit other verses into SF.
Im certainly not giving up.

Choice

Refer to the image link below.

Thanks. When you used “clock” I thought you meant the clock in the image. My mistake!

GoldenMartyr

Thanks. When you used “clock” I thought you meant the clock in the image. My mistake!

GoldenMartyr

Xinef

No, the six o’clock means back of the wall.
Should we throw a coming out party Fenix?!

Josh Jr.

Should we throw a coming out party Fenix?!

Sure thing. Perhaps I can go 50/50 with your parents on a venue and do it at the same time as your Quinceañera.

GoldenMartyr

Sure thing. Perhaps I can go 50/50 with your parents on a venue and do it at the same time as your Quinceañera.

Gold.

I wasn’t asking you to convince me. Here is the thing about image matches. They kind of have to match or you created a really poor puzzle. Is there some artistic interpretation allowed, sure, why not on certain things. Say you want to put a boy hanging from a monument in a painting. You can probably alter that slightly because how many monuments have boys hanging off of them. I suppose my point is this, when you have an image match, you won’t have to convince anybody.
I feel like the same iconic people who have done such a wonderful job of showing us all that the puzzles have a start, middle, and ending have also tricked everybody into believing these paintings are actually just Highlights Magazine Hidden Picture pages. If you don’t get the reference, please look it up. This is what 90% of the people looking at these puzzles are doing.

Re object of Twain’s attention, the list is virtually endless. Frogs, octagons, anything river/water related, Joan of Arc, Sutro Baths … did you know that Chinatown housed (maybe still does), the only Chinese typewriter in the west (as of 1962). He abhorred typewriters and even wrote about the new fangled item. The list goes on and on …

XeroDM

One of the diggers made a perspex box, buried it in his back yard and probed it as a test to see what he should feel for when probing. The probe went striaght through the box and it was difficult to tell when that happened.

No worries about this at all, Since the boxes were made of plexiglas (cast acrylic) (not perspex) and were not subject to UV radiation they are as strong as the day they were buried.
and that is very strong. 250Lbs of pressure on a tempered probe, was merely sufficient to scar the top of a replica box, not pierce it and striking it merely bounced off.
The Cleveland box which had been shattered by something like a rototiller was open to the weather. and while the casque broken physically, it showed no signs of dissolving. (as evidenced by the tiny pieces still intact.)
so barring physical destruction (accidental removal, rototilling, etc) the casques are still intact in their boxes, even should they have been flooded.

People should actually look for casques (or even parts of them) rather than excuses. Matt just eliminated a handful of the common ones. Unfortunately, permission and permits will always be the go-to excuse for those looking to keep a theory alive and well.

the Twain’s attention list is only endless if you’re not looking for a literal written ‘attention’ – like in the grant letter ‘treasurefindingfamily’ mentioned above (which I love has both object and attention), or the Attention Fitz Smythe piece.
But I do doubt if this information was easy to find in the 80’s… letters & newspaper clippings, probably not something everyone would know about…would you even be able to find that info in a library…. If these were to be read near the dig-site though (on a plaque or something), that would change things…
Until then I’m going with a more poetical ‘solve’ and use the innocents abroad
because it fits so nicely (and yes poetical means it’s probably wrong
)

Further thought would put the spot to dig around the banks of the Colorado river in Laughlin Nv. There is a paddlewheel river boat casino there also. That would give you the difference between the tan (shore) and blue(water). There are large concrete steps that go down to the water. Everything else would stay the same as far as my other post. It has been quiite awhile since I was there and I don’t know if it would still be do able.

MERLIN

Obviously you needed more hugs as a child. Come now angry little man – everything will be OK.

And you obviously got more than hugs from your Uncle Sal, as he made you sit on his lap.
That’s okay….these numbers should help you cope:
1-800-422-4453
1-800-273-8255

MERLIN

OH!……I thought he was talking about getting his freak on with some mustard. – MY BAD.

Wrong.
I was saying, in an attempted jovial manner, don’t be lazy… search the forum before posting rehashed solves, shoehorned ideas and idiotic questions such as, ‘Has anybody considered Montreal, WI?’).
But, I’ll be happy to make the interaction between us devolve faster, if you want….

VERSE 7
If we take the Japanese translation hint to heart on this, and it is so specific I have a hard time not doing so, the sound from the sky is something that requires a device in order for human ears to hear (i.e. a radio). That doesn’t fit as well into the foghorn, loudapeaker, or bird theories.
You would also need a device for a telephone or telegraph but those are sounds from a wire, not sounds from the sky. A radio broadcast is literally a sound from the sky.
(e: I would suggest this means we interpret that line of the verse to look at some sort of broadcasting tower or the like, not that you would need to walk around with a radio to tune into a specific broadcast. It pains me I need to reiterate that again.)

Merlot Brougham

VERSE 7
If we take the Japanese translation hint to heart on this, and it is so specific I have a hard time not doing so, the sound from the sky is something that requires a device in order for human ears to hear (i.e. a radio). That doesn’t fit as well into the foghorn, loudapeaker, or bird theories.
You would also need a device for a telephone or telegraph but those are sounds from a wire, not sounds from the sky. A radio broadcast is literally a sound from the sky.
(e: I would suggest this means we interpret that line of the verse to look at some sort of broadcasting tower or the like, not that you would need to walk around with a radio to tune into a specific broadcast. It pains me I need to reiterate that again.)

If not a radio or antenna…how about an old , large, satellite dish (that may have been removed from its original location, replaced with something smaller due to advances in tech)? The early ’80’s was around the time that cable TV began to expand / take off….those things were huge, back then.

Mister EZ

If not a radio or antenna…how about an old , large, satellite dish (that may have been removed from its original location, replaced with something smaller due to advances in tech)? The early ’80’s was around the time that cable TV began to expand / take off….those things were huge, back then.

Absolutely possible, but a satellite dish is more than “sounds”. He would have provided a different clue if it wasn’t a radio tower, given the Japanese explanation. There is nothing in the two solved images to suggest Preiss was anything but literal in what he was saying. The Japanese hints for both Cleveland and Chicago only reinforce the simplicity (M and B are famous composers, think about the most famous columns in history, etc). The deeper we get, the shallower the solutions. Or it’s parrots.
Image 5
“Seek the columns”. Columns remind me of infantry marching during the CIvil War, and during the Atlanta campaign John Bell Hood replaced Joseph E. Johnston as the commander of the Army of Tennessee. Atlanta fell, Lincoln was re-elected and Sherman began his march to the sea largely unopposed, just like the opening under the arch in Image 5. In a futile effort to regain Tennessee for the Confederacy, Hood decimated what remnants of his army were left at Franklin and then the disaster at Nashville. However, as his army was marching north from Atlanta, certain northern newspapers were sounding alarms (or “curving the road”) as they used to say, between the “two countries” (USA and CSA). Before the armies settled their score on the “rectangular plot” that was the Harpeth River at the battle of Franklin, the newspapers were claiming foolishly that Hood’s army was on the brink of crossing the Ohio River and invading the north. Cleveland is a city north of the Ohio river and the Civil war was a clash of cultures so it’s obviously in the Cleveland Cultural Gardens. Before Atanta fell they called it a “Modern Thermopylae”, so probably the Greek Gardens and if I look long enough I can find a Confederate general from Italy I’m sure. Gotta be buried there.

BTW since you brought it up “famous columns” would be the Greek Parthenon, correct? Is that what most think?

jayheedan1

BTW since you brought it up “famous columns” would be the Greek Parthenon, correct? Is that what most think?

That’s what I would think.

Merlot Brougham

Absolutely possible, but a satellite dish is more than “sounds”. He would have provided a different clue if it wasn’t a radio tower, given the Japanese explanation. There is nothing in the two solved images to suggest Preiss was anything but literal in what he was saying. The Japanese hints for both Cleveland and Chicago only reinforce the simplicity (M and B are famous composers, think about the most famous columns in history, etc). The deeper we get, the shallower the solutions. Or it’s parrots.

Merlot Brougham

Image 5
….. if I look long enough I can find a Confederate general from Italy I’m sure. Gotta be buried there.

I’ll forget about the Stanford Dish (which is too far south, anyway).
Go with General William B. Taliaferro….because he was the only one I could find on short notice.

Mister EZ

Go with General William B. Taliaferro….because he was the only one I could find on short notice.

As in the only mention in the wikipedia article that comes up when you google “Italian Confederates”? Know nothing about him other than he always had bad stats in every Civil War game I ever played featuring Generals with “stats”.

Honestly, I think Byron used this as a clue to identify the location. The George Stephen House was built with extremely similar visual detail to the Old Courthouse in St. Louis, from the steps to the pillars. It was also constructed during a similar time frame in the 1800’s. As you can see, the “leg eater” is not exact. I think it was included for readers to start in the former “Jefferson Expansion National Park” and further direct them to a building of similar visual detail and to focus on the steps. I’m not sure why there are two different versions of the image – one reflecting a fleur-de-lis, and one reflecting a black image. However, the “black blob” certainly looks like the “ah ha” location marker, much like the images in Cleveland and Chicago. I’m not saying my theory is right, but it was fun to think about for a few days.

dp12345

but it was definitely buried there sometime before the book was published. I would guess he visited St. Louis in July of 1981. I would like to notify his surviving kids, but really have no idea where to start.
Byron was actually very clever. Tell me what you think.

I’d say its a good effort for a beginner who is extremely unfamiliar with the hunt.
The associated maps and images are very similar.
but as we have shown over the last few decades, you can find similar shapes, patterns and designs, image parts that resemble maps and other clues in almost any random city.
It turns out to be extremely simple to find a location that matches verse lines and image parts in a general way.
Your solution simply ignores things like latitude and longitude clues, known clues (such as the legeater and the fleur-de-lis) and clue methodology that has been found across images and verses in other cities, both un-found and found.
and simply put, for anybody to take seriously the thought that St Louis is a possible city without actually finding a casque, you would need to explain logically what other image/verse is the Canadian one.
Since we know from Byron that there is a casque in Canada.
Your theory uses a city that for all intents and purposes was reviewed in detail and discarded as a possibility years ago.
my opinion is your theory is not plausible.
While it’s obvious if you use this image verse combination to find an actual casque you would be correct but, if you haven’t I think you are no where near being able to say “it was definitely buried there sometime before the book was published”

dp12345

Honestly, I think Byron used this as a clue to identify the location. The George Stephen House was built with extremely similar visual detail to the Old Courthouse in St. Louis, from the steps to the pillars. It was also constructed during a similar time frame in the 1800’s. As you can see, the “leg eater” is not exact. I think it was included for readers to start in the former “Jefferson National Park” and further direct them to a building of similar visual detail and to focus on the steps. I’m not sure why there are two different versions of the image – one reflecting a fleur-de-lis, and one reflecting a black image. However, the “black blob” certainly looks like the “ah ha” location marker, much like the images in Cleveland and Chicago. I’m not saying my theory is right, but it was fun to think about for a few days.

The blob was published in the book. The image that shows the fleur de lis is a photo of the actual painting. The black blob was added to cover it up before it was printed.
The leg eater is arguably the best and most distinctive image match in the entirety of the puzzles. It is as good as it get as an image match. If you disagree, I understand. Best of luck in St Louis.

dp12345

The George Stephen House was built with extremely similar visual detail to the Old Courthouse in St. Louis, from the steps to the pillars

Saying stuff like this doesn’t help your argument.
The George Stephen House is Rusticated Georgian architecture.
the Court house is neo grecian architecture.
so yes they have windows and stairs, and doors, but they are not visually similar in any other consideration…. You are forcing your matches.
going so far as to infer that one inspired the other or BP used one to reference the other is outright silly.

Sorry I didn’t mean to stomp on any preconceived ideas about where this thing could be located. I just had a few days of fun tying out this verse and image. Is it perfect? No. Was it fun? Absolutely. This just came to me after reading a newspaper article. I hope it was still a fun read and may help others finish it out in Montreal, California, New York, St. Louis or wherever.

I might try to stop by the Old Courthouse this week. There are a plenty of old lamps and light fixtures in and around the building. If I see one that looks like a dog eating a leg, I’ll snap a picture. Sorry again if I upset anyone in this forum. Cheers.

Don’t confuse them with ankle-biters

dp12345

Sorry I didn’t mean to stomp on any preconceived ideas about where this thing could be located. I just had a few days of fun tying out this verse and image. Is it perfect? No. Was it fun? Absolutely. This just came to me after reading a newspaper article. I hope it was still a fun read and may help others finish it out in Montreal, California, New York, St. Louis or wherever.

You have absolutely nothing to be sorry about.
nobody took any offense at you ideas or theories.
You asked for people to tell you what we think, I did, i’m sorry if I upset you and please don’t stop hunting.
Remember you have found exactly the same number of casques as I have.

Unknown

Unknown:
Hi Shecrab! how did nanowrimo go this year?

Very well! Got to my 50K word goal on Nov. 19.  My book is still not finished, however. It ran into some difficulty when one of my main characters decided to die on me–and turned it into a sort of sentimental down-hill slide. I have to fix that, so I’m still working on it. Thanks for asking!!

Wow, great as usual Goonie.
So, can the cliff house pole’s former location be seen from anywhere there? Take a giant step toward the giant pole (which was an object of Twain’s attention) and dig. Now we just have to figure out where to stand.

If the dragon’s head is a wolf’s head and it’s nose is pointing to that area, that makes it a pointing lobo!

Goonie68

Is this the wall you saw? There is also a stone wall and what appears to be a door? Good luck!

That looks a lot like what I saw on the Gh. Is this a recent photo of the area and is the the park at the Sutro Park? I think a lot more brush has grown around that area. If it is the same wall it can be seen while digging in many places.

Hey Goonie, any progress on your Washington square solve? Have you narrowed the search area or nailed down Twain’s attn.?
I’ve been thinking (a very dangerous exercise); in this area the church itself could be considered the object of Twain’s attention. I’m getting Romulus and Remus involved. Here’s why:
• Saints Peter and Paul Church is a Roman Catholic Church
• Romulus and Remus were the hero-twin founders of pre-Christian Rome
• Saints Peter and Paul replaced them as the hero-twin founders of the new Christian Rome. You almost always see them depicted together.
• Capital T in Twain signifies names of persons, and twain of course twin or two
• Attention means standing straight like a tower
So Twain’s attention could mean twin towers, in this location named after Peter and Paul, the hero-twin of Christianity.

Noted on the tweleve/secret wiki….
a concrete and definitive use of the
phrasing “Twains attention”
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/marktwain.htm
At this point in the walk along the Mississippi,
you are (back in 1981) at Canal Street
with the Ferry Docks (to your left) and the Paddleboat
crew checking the river depths
and Liberty Place and its Obelisk to your right.
Too bad there is no chance it is still there.
Score card:  Two found, One lost, Nine to go (with one extremely likely twenty feet
inside a National Park)

Proximity of Liberty Place to the Docks…  photo is likely
from the late 1960’s….

I just wanted to tie up any loose ends with this verse so I can let it rest.
http://goneworleans.about.com/od/tours/a/Rollin.htm
I have attached a ‘modern-day’ walking tour of the river front
from Jackson Square towards the Convention Center.
(if this jounalist writes this, it is then apparently a natural flow)
Anyway, the loose ends…
“Near ace is high”  near ace –> Jack –> JAX.
Also, “Sounds from the sky” are also going to be near the JAX.
Along the river, this section is referred to as Artillery Park.
This isn’t new, but I wanted to definitivly, say that ‘sounds from the sky’
equals ‘artillery’.
“running north but first across in jewel’s direction”
meaning the jewel is not in Artillery Park (or Jackson Square)
but to follow the river to finish the verse.
Liberty Place (Canal Place) is located before the Riverwalk Mall
so the verse shouldn’t take you more than fifteen minutes (at a walking pace)
As far as the visual clues regarding Image Seven, besides the general logitude/
latitude, crecent, moon, preservation – I think the specifics of the jester arm,
the brown/purple checks, the clock, the dragon head – are gone.  I assume that
they were at the (1) old ferry dock and (2) the warehouse building across the street.
That’s all I got with this.  In the off chance that the spot that the Liberty Monument
used to stand was not dug up, I think it was subsequently paved over by street improvements
If someone in New Orleans wants to confirm/deny/pursue/refute – my all means run with it.

So in a nutshell, you’re saying that yes, the casque was in NO, and no, it will never be found because of changes that the city made both prior to and after Katrina.
Well, I suppose I can live with that. Unfortunate, though.
But….
Though many of the markers do, I believe, point to New Orleans, there are a few things we haven’t addressed, and that I didn’t see addressed thoroughly in the P7 thread. First is that jockey that is on the clock face. It’s not a harlequin–it’s a jockey. Distinctive cap. Distinctive silks..shirt and pantaloons. The other thing I didn’t see addressed at all was the clock hand. Those are letters on that thing. There’s a J and a G and others–I don’t have my book yet (just shipped today–expect it in a few days) so I can’t be certain what I’m seeing even on the high-res scans, but they certainly look like other letters. And what about the 19? We got the 29 and the 90–but what about the 19? No one managed to tie in 1929  with anything.
And the odd lump under the checkered background on the right–the one with the horse head (or whatever it is.) And the hairy arm that is coming out of that sleeve–does not look like a human hand. It looks like a monkey paw or monkey hand. The arm is covered in fine hairs–those ARE visible on the scan–and the nails are horribly ragged. I thought about this–there were a couple of things it suggested to me. First was the short story, The Monkey’s Paw–but that was set in England. Yet–it did involve a sea captain, supernatural things, three wishes. And a zombie. Voodoo. I looked up Marie Laveau–and discovered something called the poto mitan, a pole–(giant pole?) used in voudoun rites. Armstrong Park was one of Laveau’s hangouts, supposedly; there is also a place by one of her graves (I think there are 3 of these) that is visited by people every year to make wishes. Not to keep pushing Armstrong Park, but the “object of Twain’s attention” might just be that odd little bridge that looks like a steamboat wheel. Where does the water go that the bridge crosses?
I don’t doubt there have been a lot of changes in NO. Of all the cities where a casque might have been hidden, this one is probable the least likely to still be there. But you never know…
c

shecrab

So in a nutshell, you’re saying that yes, the casque was in NO, and no, it will never be found because of changes that the city made both prior to and after Katrina.
Well, I suppose I can live with that. Unfortunate, though.

I can live with this solve, but I do not think it answers all of the questions.
(although it is solid logic)
I am moving on from it, but do not discourage anyone from finding their own path.

CK-
keep the Secret in its historical perspective…
the location around the foot of Canal street has
become indistinguishable since 1981
its main feature:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrah%27s_New_Orleans
was opened in 1999.
I do not know (in detail) what was the view in 1981,
but this type of construction starts from the basement up.

Does the riverwalk have a jogging trail?  (“running north”)

shecrab

So in a nutshell, you’re saying that yes, the casque was in NO, and no, it will never be found because of changes that the city made both prior to and after Katrina.

shecrab

Though many of the markers do, I believe, point to New Orleans, there are a few things we haven’t addressed, and that I didn’t see addressed thoroughly in the P7 thread. First is that jockey that is on the clock face. It’s not a harlequin–it’s a jockey. Distinctive cap. Distinctive silks..shirt and pantaloons. The other thing I didn’t see addressed at all was the clock hand. Those are letters on that thing. There’s a J and a G and others–I don’t have my book yet (just shipped today–expect it in a few days) so I can’t be certain what I’m seeing even on the high-res scans, but they certainly look like other letters. And what about the 19? We got the 29 and the 90–but what about the 19? No one managed to tie in 1929  with anything.

shecrab

And the odd lump under the checkered background on the right–the one with the horse head (or whatever it is.) And the hairy arm that is coming out of that sleeve–does not look like a human hand. It looks like a monkey paw or monkey hand. The arm is covered in fine hairs–those ARE visible on the scan–and the nails are horribly ragged. I thought about this–there were a couple of things it suggested to me. First was the short story, The Monkey’s Paw–but that was set in England. Yet–it did involve a sea captain, supernatural things, three wishes. And a zombie. Voodoo. I looked up Marie Laveau–and discovered something called the poto mitan, a pole–(giant pole?) used in voudoun rites. Armstrong Park was one of Laveau’s hangouts, supposedly; there is also a place by one of her graves (I think there are 3 of these) that is visited by people every year to make wishes. Not to keep pushing Armstrong Park, but the “object of Twain’s attention” might just be that odd little bridge that looks like a steamboat wheel. Where does the water go that the bridge crosses?

Possible, but I think this verse more likely belongs to San Francisco.
The clock hand may not be letters. It could represent a bicycle, or maybe wrought-iron work like a weathervane. The 19 is easily explained as a backwards “91” for longitude. The artist pulled reversals in a couple of other pictures as well, so it is not as unreasonable as it sounds.
The hairy arm is almost certainly a loups garoux, fair folk from France. One is pictured on p. 13, and is one of the reasons this is the French picture.

Ooooh….see? I need the book!
Loups Garoux, eh?  Well, that puts a tad different spin on it. That also makes the likelihood of that animal head being a wolf instead of a horse/dog/coyote/whatever. It looked more like a wolf to me anyway. But…the clock hand…and the jockey–could it be JACQUES? Though I see more markers for NO in the image–are you saying that you think the verse is for SF but the picture for NO?
Forgive my stupidity here–I only just started this hunt and all you have been doing it for a while. You all know each other’s shorthand better than I.
c

just as a thought did anyone consider the justice and education could be in reference to a law school???

Choice

I don’t think that open space area is of any interest. It’s pretty much a dirt field with no structures to have any point of reference for hiding anything. There are some large boulders there. Anything interesting with the boulders Goonie?

No nothing interesting in the boulders, there is only a stair case that leads up to a flat path , and about mid way up there is an opening where you can walk through grouping of trees, or on some day’s you might experience a squatter or two! I only checked this area out for a friend.

After 38 years of banging heads on a stone wall, should we consider an alternate definition for stone?
stone wall’s door
jewel’s direction
The casque[
Stone, jewel, and casque could all be referencing the
treasure.

GoldenMartyr

After 38 years of banging heads on a stone wall, should we consider an alternate definition for stone?
stone wall’s door
jewel’s direction
The casque[
Stone, jewel, and casque could all be referencing the
treasure.

The simplest solution is that the stonewall is not a landmark in the city but a reference to the image. Most famous stonewall being the Great Wall of China and the puzzle being the Chinese immigration related. Dragon’s body is the stonewall and it’s door is it’s wide open mouth.
That Dragon’s head resembles a lion’s head.

Unknown

Unknown:
The simplest solution is that the stonewall is not a landmark in the city but a reference to the image. Most famous stonewall being the Great Wall of China and the puzzle being the Chinese immigration related. Dragon’s body is the stonewall and it’s door is it’s wide open mouth.

Unknown

Unknown:
That Dragon’s head resembles a lion’s head.

I argue that there has not been a great explanation of the first line of the verse. Some fairly decent ones but nothing agreeable by a majority like in other verses. That is why people are starting in several different places throughout the city.
I’m sure we can all agree that BP made a career of selling words. Might it be possible that he played with words when creating the puzzles?
I’m not sure I love this interpretation but it could lead to interesting things. I’ll play.
Or a gryphon. The GGSC entrance does resemble a stone wall with a door. People who take the dragon head match seriously seem to look at the area as the end game and not the start. So, why not use this as the start?

Choice

The simplest solution is that the stonewall is not a landmark in the city but a reference to the image. Most famous stonewall being the Great Wall of China and the puzzle being the Chinese immigration related. Dragon’s body is the stonewall and it’s door is it’s wide open mouth.
That Dragon’s head resembles a lion’s head.

OR can it just be find the
type
of stone that makes the stone wall’s door and this confirms the begging of the verse, The Great Wall of China was made out of brick, mud and stone( metamorphic rock) tie this into a location within the area of search..?

There are many evidence pointing to a reverse verse.
Backward letters.
Backward running clock that runs from 0 (midnight) to 7.
8 lines to the verse, 2 stanzas each.
And sweet smell of success is the destination NOT the start.

Goonie68

OR can it just be find the
type
of stone that makes the stone wall’s door and this confirms the begging of the verse, The Great Wall of China was made out of brick, mud and stone( metamorphic rock) tie this into a location within the area of search..?

Do you all see how this can become stretchy extremely quick? We are given 4 words -> tie them to a significant Chinese landmark -> take landmark’s composition -> tie composition to a location in casque city.
Why not just leave it at stone wall’s door = the rock or whatever? I suppose because wall does not fit that answer?

Choice

There are many evidence pointing to a reverse verse.
Backward letters.
Backward running clock that runs from 0 (midnight) to 7.
7 lines to the verse, 2 stanzas each.
And sweet smell of success is the destination NOT the start.

Sweet success can be your Name in Lights, the name in lights is associated with sweet , if you are using metaphors…… not so sure about the verse being reversed

Main part of the image is the moons. If you use the moons as way-markers and follow them by size you’ll see that it starts from Coit (Giant pole) and a clear trail to the Ghirardelli/Galileo High area. That’s running in reverse order.

Choice

Main part of the image is the moons. If you use the moons as way-markers and follow them by size you’ll see that it starts from Coit (Giant pole) and a clear trail to the Ghirardelli/Galileo High area. That’s running in reverse order.

With this analogy then it would have to be buried on Russian Hill?

Yup! The only area with the view of the reverse Ghirardelli sign.

Choice

Yup! The only area with the view of the reverse Ghirardelli sign.

I have been to this area many times, it would be a great place to dig and NO one would know . G-man’s theory is Russian Hill also.

Why the need to mirror/reverse anything if you are viewing the Gh from the Ghirardelli sign exactly as depicted in the painting? Wouldn’t you only mirror/reverse to correct your perspective?

Not mirroring anything. Just pointing out that the clock runs in reverse and goes from 0 to 7, 8 lines of the verse.

There is nothing to indicate the clock is moving in reverse. It is static, at 6.

The way the numbers are laid out from left to right, counter-clockwise from 0 to 7, pearl being 0 hour.

In Japanese version of the book, the Monroe, James Dean and Davis Jr. have Joe Dimaggio in common.
Monroe, married to; James Dean, same initials; Davis Jr., DJ, reverse?
Joe Dimaggio park is one of the way-points.

I actually posted a different way of interpreting the clock that points to many of the way-points.
Repost:
Many moons ago I interpreted the 11 moons as way-markers of the journey to the cask. My verse would be the reversed verse seven because of the reverse Gh and the clock compass has E and W flipped. So at the stonewall’s door air smells the sweet smell of success! So we start from the smallest moon, Giant pole (Coit tower) and end up at the large moon as shown on the image and list below. Note that I need help with the 8th marker.
BTW this is a Freemason’s technique of laying out structures on the ground; as above, so below.
The structures are directly below the moon as specified and numbered below.
https://imgur.com/BxBrj86.jpg
List of identified way-marker moons:
1. Coit tower
2. Marconi memorial
3. Peter & Paul church
4. Joe DiMaggio playground
5. Columbus Ave.
6. Fisherman’s Wharf sign
7. Maritime Museum
8. —
9. Black Point tunnel
10. Ghirardelli clock tower
11. Area outlined between ferry arch (pier 43) and Galileo observatory

Choice

James Dean

Giant was Dean’s last film.

I remember Merlin mentioning that last year. I couldn’t make any connection to the puzzle except the horse in the GG park that is pretty much gone now.
Another rabbit hole is the name of the horse War Winds. People entertained WW memorials.

Goonie68

I have been to this area many times, it would be a great place to dig and NO one would know . G-man’s theory is Russian Hill also.

Hopefully someone has given Russian Hill a good look over etc. Looks like its all about to change there:
https://www.franciscopark.org

bbi

Hopefully someone has given Russian Hill a good look over etc. Looks like its all about to change there:
https://www.franciscopark.org

Yes I have photo’s and have scouted the area thoroughly

I don’t think that open space area is of any interest. It’s pretty much a dirt field with no structures to have any point of reference for hiding anything. There are some large boulders there. Anything interesting with the boulders Goonie?

Goonie68

The paper was published in 1894, Yeah figured it was a little to far to connect, but I liked the idea of the Asian Art museum tho. The SF library might have a copy of the Morning Call the ad was on every addition of the paper that year. If a searcher is looking for Twain connections to SF that would be one I guess?

I updated my post.
The issue I found, from 1894, has a different ad in that space, up top…but, ads can run consecutively, for quite some time. (Yeah, I’m sure that the 10 cent book ad ran more than once….would still be difficult to find
and
it would be difficult to then make a connection to the museum. I believe that “Light of Asia” is a book….?)

Mister EZ

I updated my post.
The issue I found, from 1894, has a different ad in that space, up top…but, ads can run consecutively, for quite some time. (Yeah, I’m sure that the 10 cent book ad ran more than once….would still be difficult to find
and
it would be difficult to then make a connection to the museum. I believe that “Light of Asia” is a book….?)

Yes the book is made up of a series of verses in the forum of a narrative poem
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What I have read about Twain is that he used this pen name occasionally while working odd jobs and writing short stories and it wasn’t until he moved to SF and started writing for the Morning Call that he became widely know for his humor thus creating a demand for his books, So I would say that writing for the paper was very pivotal in Twain’s career , I know he had a 1000 connections to SF but the paper would of been the most important to his legacy, even know it was for a short time he wrote for it, but again probably way to far of a stretch DAMN TWAIN!!!!

Who knows maybe BP a big Rush fan and was listing to Tom Sawyer when he wrote that verse?

Maybe a stretch? “the object of Twain’s attention, Object = Newspaper light of Asian advertisement = Asian Art Museum (GGP) Of Twain’s attention, the Phrase used when selling papers “Extra! Extra! read all about it” to call attention to Meaing calling attention to the Asian Art museum in this case.

Goonie, what’s the date on that newspaper?
(Can’t see the year….right side of the masthead is cut off).
I can’t see that Preiss was looking at or thinking about that specific newspaper, with that specific advert, when writing the verse…..or, that he would expect searchers to be able to get a copy of it, when looking for landmark matches.
So, for me…yup, it’s a probable stretch.
Edit: Here’s a similar issue…page 6 has an advertisement for the 10 cent books. Front page has a different advert. in the masthead. 1894…and, would have to be specific issues where that specific advertisement ran.
https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn94052989/1894-09-03/ed-1/seq-6/

Mister EZ

Goonie, what’s the date on that newspaper?
(Can’t see the year….right side of the masthead is cut off).
I can’t see that Preiss was looking at or thinking about that specific newspaper, with that specific advert, when writing the verse…..or, that he would expect searchers to be able to get a copy of it, when looking for landmark matches.
So, for me…yup, it’s a probable stretch.

The paper was published in 1894, Yeah figured it was a little to far to connect, but I liked the idea of the Asian Art museum tho. The SF library might have a copy of the Morning Call the ad was on every addition of the paper that year. If a searcher is looking for Twain connections to SF that would be one I guess?

Could the “giant pole” refer to the flagpole in the Presidio, in Pershing Square?  Is there a “giant step” nearby?
Drew

In 1982, the Presido was an active military installation
Without a  valid reason to be there  Byron Priess  would not have been allowed onto the base, much less dig holes and bury things.

maltedfalcon

In 1982, the Presido was an active military installation
Without a  valid reason to be there  Byron Priess  would not have been allowed onto the base, much less dig holes and bury things.

Good point…but could then the “high posts are three” refer to three military posts being nearby?
Drew

Sure they could, which 3 and then what does High signify?

maltedfalcon

Sure they could, which 3 and then what does High signify?

This map shows the location of “posts” in the area.  Aren’t some of these on cliffs?
http://data2.itc.nps.gov/parks/goga/ppM … park%2Epdf

The Presidio and Fort Mason are all on the heights
but the rest of the ones in SF are all pretty much Sea Level.
Still I wouldnt call the Presido high although it has hills a lot of is down in valleys. – Fort Mason would qualify – its at the top of a hill.
Accoss the bridge Fort Barry is at the top of Hawk Hill – If you’ve never been there its worth a trip
huge tunnels through the hills and giant gun emplacements overlooking the pacific. the majority of the base was underground and is sealed off.

The chess angle seems more and more likely.  Has no one plumbed those depths?  Fox just mentioned the statue shaped like a chess piece and the backgound to image 7 looking like a checkered board.
I just looked up Paul Morphy and confirmed he WAS a New Orleansian.  He was great, and if you haven’t had a chance to play through one of his historical games, you must.  A real treat.  When I get up the courage, I’ll see if his known history overlaps with anything mentioned in these forums, but for now I’m a little scared of this area…NO is pure raw intimidation.

ack! i wish i was closer to you guys!  ;D

Good luck Falcon.  I cant wait to see your pics of the SF casque when you get back.  Make sure to take your book as well as copies of the threads from these boards about SF.  You never know what may jump out at you.
ps..humor me and check in the sand around the Amundsen monument and the giant rock.  ::)

you better believe it!
but I doubt you need permission to dig in the sand…

I knew I could count on you falcon.  I will just have to avoid these boards for the next few months when you post a picture of the old shoe or tin can you found at my site  ::)

At this point, I am planning to be in San Francisco
Wed June 9 for a seminar in the morning
which leaves the afternoon free for Treasure Hunting.
I am in the process of trying to get permission to dig a hole in GGpark
My location is a stretch but I figure I’d better be safe then sorry.
Anybody want to meet and compare notes?
Matt Sparks

Good luck malted!  If you speak to park officials about permission to dig, you could also see if anyone could point out the site of the “Goddess of the Forest” statue before it was removed (see my previous post).  The totem pole might make a good Plan C/D.  Have fun.

I can tell you exactly where the “totem pole” statue used to be.  The large concrete platform it was on should still be in position.
Opposite the 30th Avenue entrance road, Linley Meadow, southern edge, the ground slopes upward.

lets meet there at lunchtime on Wed June 9!

maltedfalcon

The verse has to resolve down to the square foot where the casque was buried.
Not knowing what the direction of Twains Attention was – I just dug up the entire perimeter around the base of the Goddess of the Forest ( the totem pole is gone) but the base still exists.
from 0 feet out to 6 feet in every direction –

The statue was about 30 feet tall, right?  Why didn’t you dig about 30 feet away from the base?  Height of giant pole = length of giant step?  Assuming
the object of Twain’s attention is the Pacific Ocean, that would be your direction from the statue.  It looks like that would be in a wooded area and
might have been easy for BP to dig without being seen, and is likely to be undisturbed.

niteowl9

The statue was about 30 feet tall, right?  Why didn’t you dig about 30 feet away from the base?  Height of giant pole = length of giant step?

kind of , the statue of the goddess is of a woman squating on her haunches. if she were to stand she would probably be 50-60 feet tall, (she isnt exactly perfectly proportioned.)
I thought of that, but have trouble with it.  The location needs to resolve to an exact spot… the other casques were located so that you could actually reach out and touch a nearby wall,
digging a hole 50 feet out away from everything  would be very difficult to judge,  and in the case of chicago, even when they knew exactly where to dig, they almost missed it…
There needs to be some reference nearby… guessing what her giant stride would be is too vague to work…
I was thinking, I am 5’9′ I took the largest step I could and added a couple feet for good measure..
Does anyone know how tall BP was? maybe I was too short and it is past the irrigation line…

I have a hard time thinking of the Pacific Ocean as an “object.”

maltedfalcon

kind of , the statue of the goddess is of a woman squating on her haunches. if she were to stand she would probably be 50-60 feet tall, (she isnt exactly perfectly proportioned.)
I thought of that, but have trouble with it.  The location needs to resolve to an exact spot… the other casques were located so that you could actually reach out and touch a nearby wall,
digging a hole 50 feet out away from everything  would be very difficult to judge,  and in the case of chicago, even when they knew exactly where to dig, they almost missed it…
There needs to be some reference nearby… guessing what her giant stride would be is too vague to work…
I was thinking, I am 5’9′ I took the largest step I could and added a couple feet for good measure..
Does anyone know how tall BP was? maybe I was too short and it is past the irrigation line…

Again, that is why I think this verse belongs to New Orleans (and Liberty Place)
A giant step (stride) from the monument gets you to a patch of grass.  All around you now (when it existed)
is concrete and the street.  The monument was on a stone block.  From that, you get to the grass.
It was an exact description for the burial.

I have a simple way for you to convince me.
In both of the found casques (Chicago and Cleveland) a picture of what you see at the location of the casque is hidden in the image.
In Chicago the fixture and the window across the street are in the Chicago image.  in other words if you stood on the spot of the casque you could see the fixture and the window.
In Cleavland the image of the wall behind the spot where the casque was found is right there in the image. its almost so obvious, its amazing anybody missed it…
So if you Know the location of the casque (even if you cant dig it out) based on a particular verse. what is the image in the picture that you can see from that location.
I suspect the thing in image 1 you could see from the location based on verse 7 is the object under the table, I believe that to be the silhouette of a police call box. They used to be located all over GG park.They were almost all removed in the 90’s
I cant prove it(Believe me I have tried) but I think there was one near the Goddess of the forest totem pole…
Since I cant prove this I realize I just have a theory… and any theory is as good as the next without proof.
So if there is something in the new orleans image that you could see from where you think verse 7 leads you.  I will believe you.

I have the verse outlined from starting point to finish (as previously posted)
but only the usual New Orleans confirmers from the image.  Nothing from the POV of the casque
that I can point to out of the image specifics to show you.  (And as the area has radically changed, I can only
rely on the images I discover)
As you said, it is only one theory.
http://www-sal.cs.uiuc.edu/~friedman/canal/Pic335.htm

ONE STEP AWAY,  BASE OF THE TREASURE POLE, GIANT STEP REFERRING TO THE MOON, ONE SMALL STEP FOR MAN ONE
“GIANT STEP” FOR MANKIND AS MENTIONED BY FOX.  MOON GARDENS.

The quote is, “This is one
small step
for a man, one
giant leap
for mankind.” No giant step in there.

True…and V11 says “By dauntless and inconquerable determination” – not exactly the wording of the Wright Memorial but too close for coincidence?

Touché, fox!

& I quote “Achieved by dauntless resolution and unconquerable faith”

now that I figured out how to imbed pictures -heres a couple
This is the admundsen monument from the air.
And this is the start of my dig near the goddess (the hole got a lot bigger
)

Hey all,
This post covers multiple verses (1, 3, 7, 12) and multiple pictures (5, 6, 7, 8 ).  There doesn’t seem to be just one thread that was appropriate for this kind of post so I just posted it in all 8 threads.  So if you have read this post once you don’t have to read the other 7 as they are all the same.
Socrates, Pindar, Apelles
Free speech, couplet, birch
To find casque’s destination
(Verse 4) (Lines 10, 11, 12)
The word birch rhymes with verse so I think the line is supposed to read FREE VERSE, COUPLET.  Now separate the initial letters of each couplet that rhymes from the initial letters of the free verse(i.e. the lines that don’t rhyme).  You can do this for all the verses(although some of them are all free verse with no lines that rhyme), however, for reasons that I will make clear below I think the only verses that matter here are Verses 1, 3, 7, and 12.  In all the verses below I have highlighted the lines that rhyme.
I will start with Verse 12 as we already know the answer for that one.
Where M and B are set in stone
And to Congress, R is known
L sits and left
Beyond his shoulder
Is the Fair Folks’
Treasure holder
The end of ten by thirteen
Is your clue
Fence and fixture
Central too
For finding jewel casque
Seek the sounds
Of rumble
Brush and music
Hush.
So you end up with: WABTICBH which when you rearrange the letters and use the B’s as blank spaces between the words you get: CHI B WA B T or filling in the letters left out of the abbreviations and removing the B’s – Chicago Water Tower.  As we all know this is the tower in Picture 5.  This also explains the use of the word Hush in the verse, BP needed a word that started with H and rhymed with Brush.
On to Verse 1
Fortress north
Cold as glass
Friendship south
Take your task
To the number
Nine eight two
Through the wood
No lion fears
In the sky the water veers
Small of scale
Step across
Perspective should not be lost
In the center of four alike
Small, split,
Three winged and slight
What we take to be
Our strongest tower of delight
Falls gently
In December night
Looking back from treasure ground
There’s the spout!
A whistle sounds.
So you end up with: NISPOILA which when you rearrange the letters and use the I’s as blank spaces between the words you get: NO I S I PLA or filling in the letters left out of the abbreviations and removing the I’s – New Orleans Spanish Plaza.  And there is a
Spanish Plaza in New Orleans.
On to Verse 3
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
A green tower of lights
In the middle section
Near those
Who pass the coliseum
With metal walls
Face the water
Your back to the stairs
Feel at home
All the letters
Are here to see
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour
Lit by lamplight
In truth, be free.
This time use the letters that begin the free verse lines: INTANWWFYFAETL which when you rearrange the letters and use the extra WFA as blank spaces between the words you get: FT W WAYNE F LIN A T or filling in the letters left out of the abbreviations and removing the WFA – Ft. Wayne Lincoln Tower.  And there is a Lincoln Tower in Ft. Wayne Indiana built in 1929.
And finally Verse 7
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
Not far away
High posts are three
Education and Justice
For all to see
Sounds from the sky
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
Giant Pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept.
I first started anagramming this one using the same method of separating the letters that I used above and ended up with some wrong answers that wilhouse pointed out.  So I think for this one you anagram all the letters together: ATNHEFSNRIIOGGTT which when you rearrange the letters and use the G’s as blank spaces between the words you get
HST G NATION G FRET or filling in the letters left out of the abbreviations and removing the G’s – Houston National Forest.  This one didn’t anagram to my satisfaction as you end up with an extra I but there is a Sam Houston National Forest in Houston.
Now as cool as all that was this is the really cool part and the reason that I think that this particular solution only deals with the above 4 verses.  Going back to verse 4 and using the words Socrates, Pindar, Apelles, birch along with information that we already have from the pictures(i.e. the latitudes and longitudes) you can as BP put it, “wed one picture with one verse.”
Birch = 5 letters, picture 5 we know is Chicago goes with verse 12 which gives us Chicago Water Tower.
Apelles = 7 letters, picture 7 we are pretty sure from the longitude and latitude is New Orleans and verse 1 gives us New Orleans Spanish Plaza.
Socrates = 8 letters, picture 8 we are pretty sure from the longitude and latitude is Houston and verse 7 gives us Sam Houston National Forest. (sort of)
Pindar = 6 letters, by process of elimination picture 6 goes with verse 3 which gives us Ft. Wayne Lincoln Tower.
So to sum up.
Verse 1 goes with Picture 7 and give us a starting location of Spanish Plaza in New Orleans
Verse 3 goes with Picture 6 and gives us a starting location of Lincoln Tower in Ft. Wayne
Verse 7 goes with Picture 8 and gives us a starting location of Sam Houston National Forest in Houston.
Verse 12 goes with Picture 5 and gives us a starting location of the Water Tower in Chicago.
Just some further thoughts that might not lead to anything but are rattling around in my head so I will throw them out for your consideration.  Two of the verses (9 and 11) are all free verse, nothing rhymes but there are two additional verses that do follow the free verse, couplet pattern. The first comes right before the pictures and second right after the pictures.  It is possible that some information is hidden in these two extra verses.
Also if you like the idea of the number of the letters in a word indicating a picture(or a verse) then you might find this interesting.  There is only on significant instance of a one letter word in all of the verses(I know that there are various A’s in the verses but I said significant) and that is the v in verse 10.  In addition there is only one 12-letter word in all of the verses, remuneration.  I know that wonderstone’s is also 12 letters but I don’t count that one because you need to add the possessive s in order to get to 12.
digger7

Fortress north
Cold as glass
Friendship south
Take your task
To the number
Nine eight two
Through the wood
No lion fears
In the sky the water veers
Small of scale
Step across
Perspective should not be lost
In the center of four alike
Small, split,
Three winged and slight
What we take to be
Our strongest tower of delight
Falls gently
In December night
Looking back from treasure ground
There’s the spout!
A whistle sounds.
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
Not far away
High posts are three
Education and Justice
For all to see
Sounds from the sky
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
Giant Pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept.
The lines I highlighted above in red seem to me to rhyme. Is there a particular reason you left them out?

jimerson,
yes, there is a reason that I left them out.  I know they sorta sound like they rhyme at first blush but read through it again and really listen to the sounds they don’t really rhyme.  I thought they did at first as well but they don’t.  Also, in V1 slight, delight, and night all rhyme but the verse says couplet not triplet and delight goes with night not slight.
digger7

From the Balclutha website:
The ship was transferred to the National Park Service in 1978, and Balclutha was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1985
So exactly when was they Balclutha parked at the hyde St Peir – Wasn’t it over in Sausilito for  while or was that the Berkely ferry boat?

Unknown

Unknown:
hey Doc,  did you by chance partake in TQ many years ago?

DocLove is a different person; you’re thinking of our friend registered here as
Doc
— he’s in the Memberlist and he posted quite a bit during the early days of the David Blaine contest.

Choice

I offer Expedition Unknown as exhibit A.

I was thinking the same thing. It could just be a tile or some rock.

For GGP seekers:
Reporter claims a cable company with ground penetrating radar knows where it is. States this near 2:17 in the video. Can we find out where they have been working?
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/03/04/treasure-hunters-san-francisco-golden-gate-park/
He also says if you have any ideas on the location he will get dig permits for you.

Jordan

For GGP seekers:
Reporter claims a cable company with ground penetrating radar knows where it is. States this near 2:17 in the video. Can we find out where they have been working?
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/03/04/treasure-hunters-san-francisco-golden-gate-park/
He also says if you have any ideas on the location he will get dig permits for you.

These inevitably end up wrong. We have literally hundreds of pieces of data on this.
Even if they found something with GPR, it’s most likely a rock.

I offer Expedition Unknown as exhibit A.

Goonie68

Yes I will post the whole map tonight.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/25793154337/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39768918215/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39953863004/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39953510894/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39953510894/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40621367772/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40621320932/in/dateposted-public/
Hope this helps

Goonie68

https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/25793154337/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39768918215/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39953863004/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39953510894/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39953510894/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40621367772/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40621320932/in/dateposted-public/
Hope this helps

What year was this map printed?

1978

Goonie68

1978

Interesting that it was already marked Senior Center in 1978.

Yes I noticed that too! So from the map it would of been the senior center when Priess was there.

Goonie68

Yes I noticed that too! So from the map it would of been the senior center when Priess was there.

On that map. Now, we are faced with a couple of things. Either:
A. Preiss reached into history.
B. Education and Justice is not the Senior Center.
C. Different map was used.
I’d like for it to be option A for a number of reasons.

maybe he didn’t have to reach into history too far, for what I read he spent time in SF and maybe visited the park more than a few occasions? I guess the question would be exactly when did it become the Senior Center?

Goonie68

maybe he didn’t have to reach into history too far, for what I read he spent time in SF and maybe visited the park more than a few occasions? I guess the question would be exactly when did it become the Senior Center?

I’m mobile right now, but I came across a document that showed changes over time. It may have been like a master plan document (Google history of GGP). I think it listed 1980.
City planning or zoning or even the park office might have records.

1981 GGP map I posted on facebook group states senior activities were there since 1965. Official dedication as Senior Center was 1980.

Another interpretation of the “Twain” line:
Up and first word across.

Here is the solution from
“The Solutions”
post Turtle and I developed.
Verse 7
At stone wall’s door             At jewel Japanese Tea Garden gate
The air smells sweet             Cherry trees
Not far away                         Within sight
High posts are three             Sutro Tower
Education and Justice             De Young Museum and Alcatraz
For all to see                         Open to public. Within view.
Sounds from the sky             Antenna tower building in garden
Near ace is high                         Tower building is next to buiding with an “A” at the top
Running north, but first across Walk north and cross bridge
In jewel’s direction                         Direction to find jewel location
Is an object                         Drum/ Moon bridge looks like a paddlewheel
Of Twain’s attention             Mark Twain was a steamboat pilot on the Mississippi River
Giant pole                         Stone Pagoda
Giant step                         Stone step most toward (“jewel’s direction”) bridge
To the place                         The location to dig
The casque is kept.             Casque is buried

erexere

News update: trio of young experts abort mission in favor of extra time in Redwoods.

Understandable, but disappointing. I would’ve liked to hear about a dig.

just FYI,  I haven’t looked into this verse that strongly.  I do however live in Rochester, NY and have my whole life.  If I had to say something about sweet smells in Rochester, I would more likely associate it with Lilacs….. We have the Lilac Festival every year … a couple weeks from now, that draws Millions from all over the world…. I will start checking into this verse a little and see what I can come up with.

Johan, I am wondering if Verse 7 is not the verse that goes with Image 7. I am convinced Image 7 is of Preservation Hall in New Orleans.
For verse 7:
Stone Walls door, I know that is stonewall Thomas Jackson, but could it be referring to Jackson Square?  There are gates on either side called Jackson’s Gates.   Here’s a good site:
http://www.atneworleans.com/body/qt-jackson-square.htm
For air smells sweet, the square is right next to cafe du mond.
High posts could refer to the towers of st louis cathedral, which has three towers, across from the square.
Nearby is the Cabildo. It served as the Louisiana Supreme Court’s home.  Here’s a link:  http://lsm.crt.state.la.us/site/cabex.htm
Object of Twain’s attention would be the Mississippi River.  The riverboat is there too. That would be a good place to bury the casque, as any other place would be hard to dig at.
wilhouse

Euhirudinea

Fine. But you said “wrong state”. It’s about 150 miles to Nevada, almost 300 to Oregon (be sure to ask for Eric), and almost 500 to Arizona as the crow flies. If you think
the “depth to horizon” indicates traveling that far from where most of the clues lead most of the people (San Francisco, California), then more power to you. The best of luck in your search.

Same old story, we figured this out already but can’t find anything for 20+ years. The best of luck in your search.

jhdelong

My goal in unearthing the casque was to find someone who would pay at least $50,000 for it.
I applied for a dig permit and was one day away from digging when Brian from Parks and Rec called me to explain that the area was dug out to a level of at least four feet when the DeYoung Museum underwent a major reconstruction. The current underground garage was added too, so he felt that the casque has been inadvertently dug up during the construction work and dumped with the dirt that was moved elsewhere.

Basically it sounds like a retread of several theories combined.
$50,000 LOLOLOL
Just to ease your mind a bit. Prior to and during the reconstruction I visited the site and offered a reward of a case of beer to anybody who found it or parts of it. I had quite a few people working dozers and backhoes actively looking. –
I would suggest, if you got so close to digging without realizing the real history of the area and the changes there( for instance the sphinxes were nowhere near that location in 1981 )Your solution can’t be very accurate.

Post Expedition Unknown world and all the publicity this is getting I wouldn’t be surprised if a cask in good shape fetch upwards of 5 digits. Depends on how bad a fan (fanatic) wants it in an auction setting.

Unknown

Unknown:
we figured this out already but can’t find anything for 20+ years.

We can’t find the casques in North America, so perhaps we should start looking in Europe.

Choice

Post Expedition Unknown world and all the publicity this is getting I wouldn’t be surprised if a cask in good shape fetch upwards of 5 digits. Depends on how bad a fan (fanatic) wants it in an auction setting.

This is all just my opinion.
Based on things like actual podcast subscribers, actual facebook page subscriber numbers. I suspect that worldwide, the number of people would actively care about this and be interested in a casque at about 5000 tops, that’s not to say there are not huge numbers of viewers of the tv show. but that doesn’t directly translate into people with an active interest in The Secret. There are many who’s interest is peaked but then they move on… Then subtract the people who would be interested but would not want a casque they didn’t find or dig up themselves. Then subtract the people who would be interested but not exactly willing to spend lots of money on something that is obviously not intrinsically valuable. Obviously it’s not like the golden hare from masquerade or other hunts where the valuable object is what is buried. You aren’t left with a huge pool of people to bid against each other. Owning a casque would not be that interesting , being the person who found one would. and you can’t sell that.
Also if one was found, there is the possibility that, that would illuminate an unknown clue or method. that would in short order enable others to be found. almost immediately lowering whatever intrinsic value that casque holds , a buyer would have to consider all those things.
Really I suspect it would be in the very low 4 digits.
That being said If I found one and you had to turn in the key to get the jewel, I would keep the key and skip the jewel.

Then there are those who pay over $1000 for a $10 book and $100’s for Japanese version. It only takes a couple of interested parties to bid up an auction.

maltedfalcon

This is all just my opinion.
Based on things like actual podcast subscribers, actual facebook page subscriber numbers. I suspect that worldwide, the number of people would actively care about this and be interested in a casque at about 5000 tops, that’s not to say there are not huge numbers of viewers of the tv show. but that doesn’t directly translate into people with an active interest in The Secret. There are many who’s interest is peaked but then they move on… Then subtract the people who would be interested but would not want a casque they didn’t find or dig up themselves. Then subtract the people who would be interested but not exactly willing to spend lots of money on something that is obviously not intrinsically valuable. Obviously it’s not like the golden hare from masquerade or other hunts where the valuable object is what is buried. You aren’t left with a huge pool of people to bid against each other. Owning a casque would not be that interesting , being the person who found one would. and you can’t sell that.
Also if one was found, there is the possibility that, that would illuminate an unknown clue or method. that would in short order enable others to be found. almost immediately lowering whatever intrinsic value that casque holds , a buyer would have to consider all those things.
Really I suspect it would be in the very low 4 digits.
That being said If I found one and you had to turn in the key to get the jewel, I would keep the key and skip the jewel.

Agreed. When I proposed a theory that seemed reasonable enough for me to get other people involved, it took very little convincing to get people to agree to leave the casque, key, jewel and whatever at the site for all to see. I don’t think most searchers place that much intrinsic value on the casques any more. Most people are enjoying the search, not the find. Any find will probably be met with “huh… thaaaaaat’s where it was. Next puzzle!” There’d be a market for any found casque, but anyone who wants to brag that they have one would be bragging to dedicated hunters who would be saying, “yeah, but you didn’t dig it up.”
As for a find creating new methods or clues… it’s got to help to refine the methodologies, but maybe not create a new method, unless a new method was used for that puzzle. Deciphering a text is difficult with 5 symbols, but excessively easy with 5 million. Every time a casque is dug up, we all learn what is needed to solve the puzzles. I am working on this based on the two that have been dug up. With the idea that the “ease” of the existing finds can be translated to the remaining ones. There are a lot of people deviating from the current “found casque methodologies, doing everything from rearranging text, assuming that a word can just be substitued (education is liberty???), that there are hidden figures in brush strokes, that the only way to find a casque is by using minute details, massively zoomed in areas, obscure book and historic references, and even so far as to say you need a deep knowledge of secret Masonic city planning techniques. Not to say that any of these are incorrect, but so far, none of these have been needed to solve the two found casques. The more casques that are found, in my opinion, the more likely these fringe theories will be less likely to be correct, and a more simple answer will be better supported. It’s probably more like a cryptic crossword than a secret society’s plan for world domination. IMO… I also feel that if that’s true, there are a lot of people being led way off track by over-complications, and it’s not really helping the hunt.
But that’s just my opinion…

Euhirudinea

We can’t find the casques in North America, so perhaps we should start looking in Europe.

If it helps get you on a plane I will find you an upside down half coordinate, in the lady’s hairline, not in correct order, only visible on a Wednesday under a blue light to give you a starting point.
And no one is looking throughout North America, only looking at those 10 “known” cities.

XeroDM

As for a find creating new methods or clues… it’s got to help to refine the methodologies, but maybe not create a new method, unless a new method was used for that puzzle IMO…

Thats why I said illuminate not create – a find would hopefully bring to light , more of the methods BP used, helping make progress on other casques…

Choice

Then there are those who pay over $1000 for a $10 book and $100’s for Japanese version. It only takes a couple of interested parties to bid up an auction.

Thats true,
but then think how many Disney afficianados are out there.
Think how many people collect Disney stuff.
Yesterday this Disney item went up for auction.
This prop was handled on the Wonderful World of Disney TV show by Walt Disney himself. It is from one of the most iconic Disney movies.
and it was made by a Famous disney imagineer and artist.
Remembering people were suggesting the Casque could sell at auction for $50,000
So take a guess, what did this iconic piece of Disney Memorobila sell for yesterday?

What do you guys think of Justice referring to the painting Justice by David Gilmour Blythe. which was acquired by the Fine Arts Museums of San Francisco in 1979. It is currently housed in the de Young Museum located on the north side of the Music Concourse, but it is not known whether it was in the museum in 1982. Its name, however, is capitalized and, if it were in the museum in 1982, would be for all to see. It’s also interesting that the defendants in the painting are carrying a shovel and other digging tools. Could this painting be Byron’s sense of humor showing through?
https://art.famsf.org/david-gilmour-bly … ce-1979718

you def go to both the de young and legion of honor, so I like it as what you are supposed to go see when youre there. this would make it a secondary reference and therefore will not particularly relate to the treasure hunt, directly. meaning, theres another reading of Justice, but youre still right.

That was my first theory. Redwood Park at the Transamerica Building. That place more than hit the trifecta. I had my exact spot where I was going to put my X. Too bad it’s a private park.

Just for fun…
“To land in San Francisco, do you need to determine that Image 1 was based on the Virgin of the Rocks a part of an altarpiece for a chapel in the church of San Francesco Grande in
Milan, Italy
?
of course that church is no longer there, but right across the way from that spot…
“At last, a forest of graceful needles, shimmering in the amber sunlight, rose slowly above the pygmy housetops, as one sometimes sees, in the far horizon, a gilded and pinnacled mass of cloud lift itself above the waste of waves, at sea, — the Cathedral [of
Milan, Italy
]! We knew it in a moment.
Half of that night, and all of the next day, this architectural autocrat was our
sole object of interest
.”
— Mark Twain, Innocence Abroad
We should be looking in Italy, not SF… or wait perhaps this is all a clue to little italy in SF, centered on Washington Park along Columbus Avenue, which we all know ends at the transamerica building which was originally Montgomery block which we all know is where Mark Twain hung out when he was in SF…

falcon, how far away from GGp are you?  If you are close enough, I think an inspection around the base of the Amundson monument may be warranted.  C’mon baby, let’s find another one…….

well currently I am in Minneapolis
I was in GGpark last saturday –
Maybe Catherwood and Dan Amrich and I
want to pick a day next week and meet in GGpark with shovels….

Sounds like a plan to me.  We could also send Cat on her way or even frstprzfa.  I know she is going to be in SF the next 2 days while searching for another treasure from another hunt.  At this point, I really dont care who does the actual finding as long as they take good pics.  Then we can cross another one of these casques off of our list.

Unknown

Unknown:
1 giant step from it will land you cement..any way you go.

unless of course…..
could that be it?
IF this monument is our Giant Pole……it looks as though the pillar is standing in a patch of sand.  Along with the pillar is a large rock.  What if you climbed onto the rock and took a Giant Step off in the direction of Twain’s attention?  It couldnt be that simple….could it?  Might we have located casque #3?

That would either be north toward Fulton st
or West toward the pacific.
if that is the case it would be right under the image of the jewel on the picture.

of course due west of the monument is the seawall
(on the other side of the street)

clock boy is dressed a jockey = horse rider
Armstrong (etymological) = Scottish King gives name to a man who lifted him to the saddle with ease
I can see why a horse track related theory might gain momentum.
McDonogh (clock boy and negative space left and right of clock spliced together to make the shape of the McDonogh statue) = provider of schools for children
Margaret Haughery (clock hand has layout of grounds at Margaret statue location) = worked with the poor, the hungry, and orphans, she also had some orphanages built, one of which was at 1314 Napoleon Ave., the Daughters of Charity was there until 1989.
I’m leaning towards the idea that one of the stone benches out front of that 1314 building is our ‘Giant Step’…but I’m also thinking about a playground with a seesaw or teeter totter as an idea based on ‘riding’ and ‘for children’ and the way its motion resembles the motion of certain clock jewels.

As I wandered around with googlestreet view I thought the Carnegie children’s resource center looked interesting.  Standing at it’s steps and looking north at the big clock in St. Stevens steeple tower.  Also, up the road at 1314 Napoleon was once an orphanage, and later the home to the Rice Family.  Author Anne Rice, (1976 Interview with a vampire?).  …was converted to Condos in 2005.  This does look like a big circle, if we start in City Park, parade down Esplanade into French Quarter, Canal St., come around to Camp to Magazine, and on to Uptown at Napoleon Ave and back in the direction of City Park.
The focus certainly seems to be McDonogh (clock boy) school and Orphan (M. Haughery is the hand on the clock).  Was Armstrong an orphan?  I couldn’t quite tell from the bio.

He might have been, but it wouldn’t have mattered much when he wrote the Secret. The Rice family lived in California until 1988. They did not purchase the house  in NOLA until then–there would not have been any physical connection betweent he Secret and Anne Rice except for the fact that the book’s setting is New Orleans, as are hundreds of other books.

Ok, good, the vampire idea was pretty thin to nonsense anyhow.
Perhaps the path is designed to take us near the Sophie B Wright Statue around 1900 Magazine St., continuing past Napoleon Ave.  She was a crippled educator.  Being crippled resonates with ‘Giant Step’.

Just looking into a perspective that touches on other ideas, but my eye just caught the letters POLE in Napoleon…Na-pole-on.  Is that a possibility for the Giant Pole?
I was researching something about Desha County and read about a ghost town in Arkansas named Napoleon, which was mentioned in Twain’s Life On The Mississippi, something about 10,000 dollars hidden in a wall that was washed away with the city when the river swelled over the banks.  Im not touching on anything specific, but it sure seems like ‘the object of Twain’s attention’ could be something Napoleon related, although I’ve long been sold on the Joan of Arc statue.

That is an interesting take on our POLE.  All this time we have been searching for an actual Pole, or something resembling a pole.  I think one of the earth’s poles was bandied about briefly…can’t get much more giant than that.  However, calling Mr. B a giant is a bit of a stretch since he stood 5’6 1/2″ tall and weighed in at a meaty 172 pounds.
He was an emperor so he could be considered a giant.  He also referred to China as a sleeping giant.  Argh….around and around we go.

I will be the first to admit, there are one or two spots in the verse where its a weak connection to SF
Maybe It is New Orleans.
But then I am at a total loss which other verse would go with Picture 1

wk

Seven of the verses contain the word “step” and after researching Lookout Hill, which has 102 steps, I thought of San Francisco with
Giant step
as a clue. One of the large stairways is 153 steps from Baker Beach to
Immigrant
Point Overlook.
It is in line with your Legion of Honor and Giant flagpole too!
http://www.communitywalk.com/san_franci … map/399832

Mile Rock Stairway would certainly be a “giant” step.

Well the sand stairs location and baker beach is on the Presidio.
In the 1980s the Presidio was an active duty Military base, so Im not even sure general public access would not have been allowed.
But more to the point the sand ladder was installed in 2007.
Mile Beach Stairs is in the wrong direction and I’m pretty sure the stairs were put in after the labyrinth was installed. so that people going to see the labyrinth wouldn’t break their necks.
That would also make it be from after the publication date.

There is a Sutro Baths cave which looks interesting. The last two lines of the verse do not seem very helpful so I looked again at the image. The blue outline of her arms do not quite match the cave entrance but from some of the photos online there is one which shows a view the inside of the cave looking like a tunnel. So maybe the casque is inside the cave where the shape of the rock matches. A recent video through the cave:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLvnKVDZL14

Or Giants’ pet

“Giant step”??
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_ … teps.0.jpg
http://www.ianchinphotography.com/uploa … 1_orig.jpg

“Near ace is high”
http://www.rokkorfiles.com/Day%2014%20Continued.htm
Interpretations…
‘near ace’ is high ….. near ace – jacks = jax
Near ‘ace’ is high (near meaning close to where you are standing at stone wall’s door)
ace = A  (high meaning in the sky)
Keeps you on the river front and easily seen from Du Monde.

This may have been addressed in another post but time for work so here goes….. Could not the big step and Giant Pole not be a big ‘step’ from the flag pole in Jackson Square?  Has anyone hit these areas with a metal detector *** or is that cheating?  Just a couple of ramblings from an old woman from Alabama*** for what its worth *** I spent some time in New Orleans during the golden horse hunt and the federal building in this district is shaped like a giant ‘H’ ….. something to think about.  Well off to work talk at you guys tonight maybe

Trohn – clever! I like it. Jax … (queen … king) … ACE.
Back in San Francisco, “Near ace is
high
could refer to
Alta
Street on Telegraph Hill, or the hill itself (it was originally called Loma Alta, “High Hill”).

A mystery pole near Coit Tower. Could this be the “giant pole”?

high posts… hmm… makes me wonder the last time i put on my
sneakers
, grabbed a ball, and threw some ‘bows.
how far is “not far away”? less than about a mile? and/or within view?

I’m beginning to like my current path, start at Exploratorium, east on Bay St. and then turn down Columbus towards the Transamerica Pyramid which has three points when viewed from the Columbus angle.  It must be the high post are three.

why would you start at the exploratorium based on the image? —
oh I see now from your comment in the image 1 messages.

Yes, I’m testing a theory based on the sleeves as the iconic image.  I am slowly getting on board with the picture trail.  Cement doors?  I was thinking more the wall as stone.
Maybe sounds from the sky is a reference to a flying dragon…the Asian style dragon has a sinusoidal shape like a sound wave.

sorry I meant the walls are made of cement, (the large rectangular door frame in the picture)
the doors are metal.

A literary reference that’s crept up as a remote possibility is Dante’s Inferno.  In association with the Palace of the Legion of Honor and the art pieces belonging to Rodin’s Gates of Hell.  The reason initially came together as a consideration that “high posts are three” had to do with the Three Shades sculpture next to the Betsy Ross Memorial Flagpole.  I dont recall the date of when they were removed or whether it matters…
There is a point in the Inferno where giants are involved.  Maybe there is some insight ilto be gained from Dante.

If verse 7 is applied to SF
Then high points are three is almost assuredly sutro tower.  It is the highest point in the area and  has three points, in second place would be the lamp posts with three lamps on each.
The lampposts do not fit though becuase there are 6-8 of them in the area which would make high posts are 18 or 24.
The statue of the three shades does not fit because they aren high, (by any stretch of the imagination)  They would have been the lowest statues in the area, and a convoluted interpretation to say shades or fates = high, makes little sense.
Aces High but first accross  = Highway 1 which crosses the GGPark and The golden gate.  It is definitely nearby.
All this being said, It is likely verse 7 is to be used with image 1 for SF, but Since we have not ever been able to find the methodology to associate an image with a picture,
Verse 7 might belong to another image, there is no way of telling besides using it for a successful hunt.
@four21thrasher.  Its actually amazing how generic verse 7 is.  I was able to find an exact match for the verse using clues only found in ggpark,
It was great, turned out it was wrong, but it was still great!

@MF – your only dig at the SF site was at the 12 o’clock position on the wall, correct?
BTW – I was revisiting the triangle, square, square, circle on the neckline of I1… isn’t that a scorecard in golf (hole-in-one, bogie, bogie, birdie)?

shecrab

Another possibility:
“In jewel’s direction”
Along the bay in 1915, was held the Panama Pacific International Exposition–which had as its centerpiece the Tower Of Jewels. This was a 43-story building, covered in glass “jewels”, and was certainly the tallest building there. It is not there now, but perhaps this refers to the direction it would have been in? If you google it, you can find a map of the whole exposition in relationship to the bay.

I too thought this and posted as such many moons ago…

i’m sorry i can’t remember who dug by the horse at the horse shoe pits.  jimersion? if i remember right, he dug at the front of the horse.  i was wondering why he didn’t dig at the “tail” end since twain wrote “the horse’s tale”
and also wondered if the word “object”  could be for something twain objected to, like golf, since they say he made the saying “golf is a good walk spoiled.” and he disliked “slavery”  and “american soldiers” (he called them uniformed assassins) and there is the
DOUGHBOY MONUMENT
which is a monument to american soldiers.
and if i’m looking right at the map, the
REDWOOD GROVE”
is near the DOUGHBOY MONUMENT with a flag pole.  (stand at ATTENTION  for the flag)……….mark twain meaning 12 feet…..flagpole?  12 feet
Redwood Grove could be a GIANT POLE and of course the flag pole.
object: anything tangible
object: dislike (like “i OBJECT to this line of reasoning”
)
malted, r u still around?
scroll down to redwood memorial grove to see the doughboy with a flagpole right beside him
http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/golden- … le/#heroes

Still here!
I think there are two flag poles at the doughboy statue. which one?
object could be a verb rather than a noun but then wouldnt he have said objection?
But he could very well have been “being sneaky”

it’s good to see you guys again!
i don’t know which flagpole malted………. the one in front of the doughboy,  maybe?
………i’m just talking,  hoping something i say will click in your heads and make u have an aha moment.
maybe we’re making it to difficult, twain talked about everything, so maybe it’s just “fulton street”
that’s why i liked jimerson’s digging at the horseshoe pits because it was close to it, and maybe the horse was “Arabian”………..i know , i know this pic is asian……..but …
it’s been so quiet, i was afraid everyone had quit looking.
i’m back in austin and i have time to get back into the hunt.  takes a long time just to get notes straight again. i’ve just been posting thoughts that come to me as i read thru the threads..
keep me grounded malted

Egbert

Why would Education and Justice be capitalized, if they were only describing personality traits?
Sorry to hear about the casque being unreachable.   🙁

Well I went with El Cid because the image was in the picture.
however if you look to your left from the same spot you can see SF University which also has a big Law school and Law Library visible.
Personally I like the El Cid though

erexere

I don’t see it that way.  The location along the roadway below with benches seems yet to be verfied.

Unfortunately there is nothing in the verse to indicate traveling there.
I don’t believe the verse implementation is that radically different from Chicago and Cleveland.
Giant Pole
Giant Step…
Nothing about go down the hill, nothing about hop over the balustrade.
Nothing about follow the slender path…
Giant Pole,
Giant Step…
Its pretty cut and dried.

MERLIN

Great catch Mariska!…….This quote caught my attention “Armand Leonidas Fitz Smythe” – I think there is a statue of Leonidas in golden gate park.
https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/poi_leonidas.asp

I didn’t make that connection yet, Great one Merlin, I like it a lot !

I think he told Egbert that Image4 wasn’t in Philly.  I don’t know about the rest of PA though.

Well,
SORRY
Mister Testy!! LOL….how was I supposed to know what you know?
(Okay…I geddit.)
I may have found the “giant pole”:
In Jackson Square, every New Year’s Eve, a GIANT POLE is erected and a pot of gumbo drops at midnight, like the ball at Times Square. it’s taken down after. Don’t know how long this has been going on, but from the references I found, maybe a while now.

maltedfalcon

of course all of this only matters if v7 is not StLouis or Montreal….

animal painter

Fox,

or New Orleans
Yes Shecrab, I know that Giant Supermarkets are only located throughout the east….that is why I used it as an ‘example’ as well as giant squids and Giant gas stations.  I was just referring to a sign (pole) making any and all references to ‘giant’.
Thanks AP, believe it or not, sometimes I like to crawl out of my comfortable little box.

I have hammered on this new idea for a couple days and I’m so use to believing in crappy ideas that I can barely see the difference when I encounter a decent possibilty.
Does it work to say a great writer would consider the object of his attention to be his writing utensil?  I think it works perfectly.  Does it work to call a prison a “pen”?  I think so.  This is a neat solution to the Twain riddle.  How does “running north, but first across” reflect writing letter characters?  We draw a vertical line and then cross with a horizontal stroke to make a T.  We usually draw an L by drawing a vertical line starting at the top and then across to the right to make the small horizontal at the bottom, but if we are doing it in reverse we first do the bottom and then finish the vertical line with an upward or “north running” stroke.  I’m sold on the simplicty and cleverness of this idea.
Moving on to the “Giant pole”, I’m really sold on the Pledge of Allegiance requirement in many schools (education), …and Justice for all.  We have a few lines of verse pointing to the Betsy Ross Memorial flag pole for the reason that it is greatly significant.  The same constraint applies to the “Giant step” only this is more cryptic.  Running north but first across fits the reverse writing of the letter L, but also a bold reference to the Union leader, President Lincoln, who “ran the north” in the dispute with the south confederacy over one of the biggest issues in our history:  slavery, rather the Emancipation Proclamation, which I think is the “Giant step”.  In essence, BP is devoting a few good lines of verse to Abraham Lincoln for a reason, which is to recognize a marker, which fits perfectly with the Palace of the Legion of Honor parking lot.  What’s amazing but also difficult to show is how a straight line ties these elements together:  pole, step, pen as Betsy Ross memorial flag pole, Lincoln memorial highway marker, and Alcatraz.

erexere

Does it work to say a great writer would consider the object of his attention to be his writing utensil?  I think it works perfectly.  Does it work to call a prison a “pen”?  I think so.  This is a neat solution to the Twain riddle.

Its possible, however Alcatraz is not visible from the Lincoln park.  Yet Fort Point, a place Twain wrote about is.
The fact that it is not visible, drops it into the vague realm of possibilities that are all things Twain. Arguably you can pick any of 360 degrees from The Betsy Ross Flag pole and find something Mark Twain related. All with equal weight.
Limit it to what you can see, there are 2, San Francisco itself (which  is framed in a valley off to the southeast) and Ft Point
Which is directly in a line along the Gateway-to the flagpole to Fort Point.

erexere

Running north, but first across = draw a vertical line, draw a small horizontal line extending from the base of the vertical line = the letter L.

I like this alot.

Not having line of sight on Alcatraz bothers me to a degree, but then an ideal location to view it also coresponds with the Gh sign near Russian Hill really proves the point for connecting the dots.

yeah well, I don’t believe the Ghirardelli s  sign is involved at all.  The GH references the Great Highway west of GGpark.
Arbitrarily picking sites around the city doesn’t fit in with the found methodology.

I’ve come to know only two options in San Francisco for “at stonewalls door the air smells sweet”.  The Ghiraddeli location viewing Alcatraz and the Palace arch with the Spreckles plaque, the more imaginative option.
There have been “far offs” in the found solutions…  The start of a path and the end have a cutting separation.  Finding a thematic link seems necessary.

Ghirardelli is made of brick
and Alcatraz is made of cement.
neither has stone walls.
which location fits stone walls door?
however the gateway at the palace is granite.

True but it was also hard to forget Congress and a sitting L
and not think about washington DC…
Sometimes the obvious isnt…