Poland.  Thinking about it.

Hello. This is my first post since discovery this damn secret. I find myself thinking about the verses at random times. Very annoying. Anyway, not having read everything on the board yet, I wanted to put a few things down. I live on the east side of Milwaukee close to Lake Park. Just some notes, if they are already here somewhere I apologize. These all point to different places, just ideas.
1. 92 steps, could be a building completed in 1892. Not actual steps.
2. Walk the beating of the world. Walk the beat- world, walk down Old World Third Street. Could also be in reference to 1918 and the end of WW1. 18 runs through downtown including the Wisconsin Club, the Mitchell Manor.
3. Step on nature, cast in copper. Kosciusko Park is in the Lincoln neighborhood. The park itself is cast in Lincoln.
4. The face of the juggler resembles greatly the Immigrant Mother statue in Cathedral Square. The halo – Catherdral Square. The letter could be her. Also, the red balls could be in reference to the MSOE logo adjacent to the square as the O is filled in red. Also, the jugglers circle of items could be a nod to the square.
5. A juggler is a deceiver. The image itself could purposely be throwing us off the track.
6. Juggler also refers to leading up a garden. Having dove into that one yet.
Just a few things I didn’t see anywhere else yet. If anyone in Milwaukee wants to meet and discuss, I am totally game. Thanks!

I’ve been thinking much on this verse this week. I want to be careful to inspect each line for possible meanings, rather I don’t want to carelessly brush aside a valuable instruction/inspiration.
How is “viewing” of the three stories of Mitchell essential to getting us closer to the casque? Firstly, I noticed the Wisconsin Club has it’s ground floor and two floors above that, making for three stories, but there’s an observation tower and flagpole that effectively stacks two more levels higher, making it 5 stories all together. I think it later becomes important when we look at the proud, tall fifth with a sense of observation for what’s being held even higher. That may be the key to linking some visual component(s) in image 10 to a good dig spot.
I’ve also been working out the justification for the lines “at a distance in time” and “at a distance in space”.
League (unit) = a distance measured for how far a person walks in 1 hour
Light-Year (unit) = the distance light travels in 1 year
I wonder if the line of verse about walking 100 paces is also a baseline for establishing a distance that relates to a city block. Based on the standard of 30 in. or 76.2 cm for 1 pace, 100 paces is 76 meters. In many cases the city block is recognized as 80 meters in width though many are much greater in length, 80m x 274m in Manhatten for instance.

otteriffic, do you know when this staircase was changed to a rampway
http://content.mpl.org/cdm/singleitem/c … 948/rec/26
now gmap
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.051053, … LRdNYw!2e0

fox

“Remember, remember the fifth of November,
gunpowder, treason and plot, “
these are the first two lines of a rhyme for Guy Fawkes Day aka The Gunpowder Plot
Now….back to:
such a lovely statue of Erastus B. Wolcott sitting tall atop his proud horse named Gunpowder.
anything around Gunpowder’s southern foot?

Hi again. Tried to post a few days ago but it seems it was not approved by admin. Going through everything but lots of links are broke as this thread is ten years old. Anyway, I am from Milwaukee and I live here. I am a stay at home mom with too much time on my hands. So I’m having fun researching all this and have made a few trips to north point light house but never for reasons of the hunt. So the statue referenced above has “devotion to country printed into it”. Anyway. Hopefully this posts. Anyone else from Mke?

maltedfalcon

If I cant figure out that first one, I am going to assume
verse 7 is not GGpark.

hmmm…looking better and better for my N.O. theory

You are probably going to be hating me…

maltedfalcon

You are probably going to be hating me…

why so?

What would you consider the “Letter from the country…” in this scenario?

slappybuns

i missed that post, i thought i read where 10 was for “J” jackson street, and 13 was for “M” monroe street

No, it was for the grove of trees.

i missed that post, i thought i read where 10 was for “J” jackson street, and 13 was for “M” monroe street

to me most importantly this idea lacks the Oh Yeah! Thats it, I get it factor.”
Which every clue in the found casques has.
Each clue once solved has basically been obvious.
In the examples we have,  what clues has been similarly obtuse?
The clue stated harpsichord, not virginal yet neither are associated with the statue, beyond a wikipedia article stating an instrument is typically played by women.
I agree the analytics should continue.
however we need to fit the ideas to the verses not the verses to the ideas.
how easy it is to step from its a statue of a woman to women play virginals, to Round yon virginal, Ah the verse has something to do with “Silent Night”  suddenly you are researching stuff that while interesting has nothing to do with BPs treasure hunt.
I certainly dont want to marginalize any of your ideas, you have come up with some great ones.
But if I think you come up with one that is out of left field. I will say so, as always, feel free to ignore anything I say-
I have been wrong many many many times.

I like the Oh Yeah! Reconciliation idea.  At some point I hope one of my Oh Huh?! Ideas pans out.

more likely the lines a straight forward and clear if you are in the right place.
and do not contain levels of hidden meaning

This may help us to verify the starting point of the verse.
(To which “Mitchell” building was BP referring?)
View the three stories of Mitchell
As you walk the beating of the world
You pass Mitchell Hall on Kenwood Blvd.
In the past, we have thought that Kenwood, because of its stereo speakers,
may have been the “beating of the world” reference.
But I just found out that Kenwood, since 1947, has also been a kitchen appliance manufacturer…
specifically…”beaters”…or mixers. They introduced the double-beater! This makes more of the
case for Mitchell Hall on Kenwood Blvd. as our point of origin…instead of the Mitchell Mansion on Wisconsin Ave.
As much as I love the statue of Solomon Juneau, I still think the treasure was buried nearer the lion bridges…
(Your PDF of the Milwaukee treasure info was very nicely done, WhiteRabbit!)
AP

Well if that doesn’t beat all! Good research, AP.

As you walk the beating of the world
Or…Kenwood Blvd, from Mitchell Hall to Marietta Ave. World pillow-fighting championships.
http://www.kenwoodpillowfights.com/

slappybuns

lincoln, tall and proud …….if it’s not the lions  ;D

Southern foot / southpaw…boxing…”wildcat”
Ad Wolgast
, Milwaukee world boxing champion 1910…

Where have you dug?  This question also applies to everyone who has already dug somewhere.  I am putting pins on a map to narrow everything down…

Unknown

Unknown:
Oh and i forgot to mention… a Pace, as in a step taken, is the distance between each time your right foot hits the ground (or your left, depending on which you prefer to count)… On average, your steps are farther apart going down hill, and closer together going up hill.  The average distance between them is about one meter;  However, a human being usually takes between 50 and 70 steps to equal 100m.  I am 5’10 and my 100m pacecount is about 67 steps (where my right foot hits the ground).  That was measured carrying about 25lbs. of extra weight, which included a shovel, coincidentally, and where I was wearing boots (the ankle support figures into this by how much your ankles will carry you with each step).  By the way– why is Germany the country of wonderstone’s hearth?  Why couldn’t it be Spain?  Or England?

Quote from Typler
100 meters converts to 109.3 yards.  If 67 paces is 109.3 yards SE from the bridge for Typler, where does that leave us at Lake park?  At 100 paces, we are 163 yards SE of the bridge. More than 1 1/2 football fields away.  Can a pace mean something else?

Hmmmmmm….  I don’t know…  I don’t think this looks much like the Lincoln memorial….

forest_blight

Yes, but
Lincoln Memorial
Drive.
Lincoln
Memorial
.
BP is playing clever word games with us.

FB, when you think about it, that could probably be (to date) the biggest breakthrough we have concerning The Secret’s secret verses.

No dude – Lincoln Memorial Drive.

boogieman

FB, when you think about it, that could probably be (to date) the biggest breakthrough we have concerning The Secret’s secret verses.

I would personally nominate ‘SELOY’ confirmer as the biggest breakthrough.
If we could have ONE breakthrough for each verse, this would be much easier.

VERSE 8
I thought I would take the opportunity to try to summarize what we think we know about this verse..
View the three stories of Mitchell
Start at Mitchell Hall which is a three story building on the campus of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.  It is on the corner of E. Kenwood Blvd. and N. Downer Ave.
As you walk the beating of the world
Across from Mitchell Hall is a building that used to be a synagogue(if I am remembering this thread correctly).  The phrase
the beating of the world
is from a Jewish Shabbat ceremony.
In the quiet of my soul I
Feel
the beating of the World
.
It is not other than I
nor am I other than it.
As wave is to ocean so am I to the World
and to the source that sustains it.
At a distance in time
From three who lived there
As you walk down E. Kenwood Blvd toward Lake Park you cross N. Downer Ave., N. Hackett Ave., and N. Sheppard Ave which were all named for people who lived in Milwaukee.
At a distance in space
From woman, with harpsichord
Silently playing
Not a clue, we’re not even sure how this part of the verse is read.  Is the woman playing the harpsichord or are the woman and the harpsichord separate items?  Is the harpsichord playing silently or is the woman playing silently? Is it an individual woman or did BP mean women in general?  And what is that comma doing in there?  BP was very frugal with his punctuation so I would guess it means something.
Step on nature
Cast in copper
Enter Lake Park on Lincoln Memorial Dr.  Kenwood Blvd. becomes LMD as you enter the park.
Ascend the 92 steps
Go up the stairs of the Grand Staircase in Lake Park which has exactly 92 steps.  There is a series of pictures on this forum showing the staircase with numbers superimposed over them and there are exactly 92 steps.
After climbing the grand 200
From above the outline of the Grand Staircase is a double C.  Two C’s in Roman numerals equal 200.
Pass the compass and reach
The foot of the culvert
Below the bridge
Walk through the golf course(I believe that the two red balls she is juggling in the image are golf tee markers and this is also where that huge multi-trunk birch tree was.  It is now quietly decomposing just off the edge of the golf course in the trees.) and get to N. Wahl Ave.  The start of both Ravine 1 and Ravine 2 are on this street.  They run parrallel to each other and you have to pass the Northpoint Lighthouse either way but only in Ravine 1 can you find
the foot of a culvert below the bridge
.  Go down Ravine 1, pass the Northpoint Lighthouse(we believe that this is the compass from the verse because compasses point north), pass under the Lions Head bridge and over a wooden footbridge(the wooden footbridge is almost directly under the Lions Head bridge.)  And then in a stone embankment just past the wooden footbridge is the foot of the culvert.  This can be seen in some pictures I posted in the Milwaukee Update thread.
Walk 100 paces
Southeast over rock and soil
Ravine 1 continues southeast at this point(and the trail is both rock and soil) and it is about 100 paces(depends on how you count a pace) from the foot of the culvert to where the trail ends as you come back out onto LMD
To the first young birch
Dunno, I’m not a tree expert and the trees there are so tall now that it is difficult to get a good look at their leaves.  But I am prepared to believe that there is or was a young birch tree there.
Pass three, staying west
At this point, the verse becomes moot(or debatable as shecrab reminded us).  If you turn right as you exit Ravine 1 you will immediately see three more obvious trees followed by another tree that is both proud and tall.  However, this tree does not have
a letter from the country of wonderstones hearth
, it does not look like the tree in the fold of her cape, and several intrepid members of this forum dug around this tree and found nothing.
I believe
staying west
just tells us to stay on the west side of LMD.
If you turn left as you exit Ravine 1 and walk about 15-20 feet you will see(if your eyes are good) the tree that animalpainter found that has a G carved into the bark.  She dug there and also found nothing, however, there is a cement retaining wall at the base of tree that was put in after BP buried the casque.  Animalpainter believes that the casque is under the cement.
If you look on a map of the path that you have walked from the top of the Grand Staircase to the bottom of Ravine 1 you will notice that you have roughly walked in a circle.  I believe that that is why there is a circle in the image.  BP was showing us the path to follow.  So my current thinking is that the spot we are looking for is back on the other side of the Grand Staircase.  I wish my current thinking had coincided with when I was in Milwaukee so I could check this out.  Incidently there are two war memorial in that area.  The first one(as you are entering the park and walking toward the Grand Staircase) is dedicated to Mary E. Spence, a past national president of the American War Mothers.  The second one is closer to the Grand staircase and is dedicated to those who died in WWI.  This second memorial consists of a plaque and some trees.
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
This part is very moot.  I think we have had speculation on just about every letter of the alphabet for this one. G=Germany, D=Deutschland, and all the letters that those two words contain.
The G stands out because there are two Girl Scout markers hammered into two trees in Lake Park.  One of them is near the start of Ravine 2.  The other is at the end of the Parking Lot Ravine(at the soccer field between Ravine 1 and the Grand Staircase).  Also because animalpainter found a G carved into a tree near the bottom of Ravine 1.
I have another thought.  The German alphabet contains 30 letters while the English alphabet only has 26.  The additional four letters are: ë, ü, ö, ß.  The third letter, ö, could be represented by the remains of a sheared off branch with two smaller ones directly above the larger one.  However, I looked for this when I was in Milwaukee and didn’t see anything like this.
On a proud, tall fifth
At its southern foot
I’m assuming this is the tree that is represented by the fold in her cape.  That tree does have what I would describe as a foot.
The treasure awaits.
Yep, it has been waiting for quite awhile.
Just to recap, these are the things that I believe we still need to find
the woman and the harpsichord
the first young birch
the three things you need to pass
the letter from the country of wonderstones hearth
the proud tall fifth
AP may have found the letter from wonderstones hearth.  Could you give us some more details about where the tree is located?  Does it look like the tree in the fold of the woman’s cape?  Does it have a southern foot?  Also, what program did you use to put the circle and the words on your pics?

Nice job digger – to think it took so much argueing to
get to be within feet of this one.
http://search.isp.netscape.com/nsisp/bo … FLake1.pdf
To help out the visually impared.

Nice summary!

Right.  I was seriously hoping it was more profound than that.  Not that I’m criticizing it… There’s also a Lincoln Park, and a statue of Ole’ Honest Abe on a bridge too…  I also discovered that those tiles ARE throughout Pere Marquette Park… on the sidewalk…  As it happens, PMP is also slanted, going from NW to SE, and has bridges at the north and south sides which cross the Milwaukee.  The Historical Society shares the land (its the triangular building in the SW corner), and I would be wrong to discount the fact that every year they have a festival called “Milwaukee Rhythms” or something to that effect.  Granted, this is only its twelfth year, but shecrab taught me a long time ago not to discount what fortune drops in front of you… To preclude the inevitable:  “>sigh< It's only 13 years old, KLBT" from fox, let me clarify-- It may be sign from the fae that we're on the right track.

Unknown

Unknown:
There’s also a Lincoln Park, and a statue of Ole’ Honest Abe on a bridge too…

Yes, but
Lincoln Memorial
Drive.
Lincoln
Memorial
.
BP is playing clever word games with us.

with a summary like that, we should have that darn treasure in our hands. very nicely put indeed digger.

I Third it!
Here’s the problem with having too many threads, I can’t find diggers pic of the culvert.
I’d like to pose a question though….
Pass the compass and reach the foot of the culvert
Below the bridge
Walk 100 paces
Southeast over rock and soil
A culvert could be considered the drainpipe, the bridge or roadway that passes over it, or the
channel
it is going into.
The ravine.
Again, if BP used
ravine
in the verse instead of
culvert
, it would be too easy.  Can this verse fit to where you actually pass right next to the North Point going west to the
start
of the ravine?  If you are going to consider 100 paces as yards, you would walk right into the lake, or at least across Lincoln Memorial Drive if you started southeast from the bridge.  But if you start at the beginning of the ravine west of the light house, and walk 100 yards, over rock and soil, it would put you just at the bridge.  I think you can see that very well when you look at it from
www.local.live.com
rotated with east being at the top of the map set to the Bird’s Eye view.  Perfect spot to hide a casque.  Yeah, i know, I have trouble getting the verse to do it too.  Just maybe you have to walk 100 paces to get to the bridge.
I keep thinking of paces as the steps walked off like during a duel.  10 paces, turn and shoot.  Pretty big steps.

Okay okay okay— first of all, Lincoln Memorial drive is a Freeway. One which could be said to have a passing reference to being ‘cast in copper,’ or greater if that’s what you want.  Secondly, Milwaukee Rhythms was what I meant about thirteen years–it’s only been in existence that long, and if you read the intial post I made about it, I said this.  Because of the reference to the Shabbat, one could ASSUME that a synagogue was meant, but Preiss was himself Jewish (which means he may have already known that phrase), so he may have used to the term to mean any of the MANY cathedrals, churches, synagogues, and temples that are in Milwaukee.  Incidentally, Amethyst, the birthstone for Feb. is worn by priests, and is said to represent spiritual peace.  Spiritual Peace for milwaukee, again, could mean any place of worship.  Lastly, would BP have known that the Grand Staircase looked like two inverted C’s from above?  Without Google earth, it’s hard to tell.  Not to mention, that from above there are way too many parks that have things that look like inverted C’s. Do I even have to mention that the Grand Entrance is on Lake Street?  I mean, the entrance to the park itself, not to do with the “Grand” part…  If you are certain of where it’s at, tell Shadowrunner to go dig it up…I believe he said he would be going to Milwaukee again this spring.  THEN tell me what it is or is not within feet of.

forest_blight

I made a map to help us all orient ourselves. It’s too big to post here in one piece, but the whole thing can be downloaded here:
http://www.geocities.com/quantpsy/trove/map_with_text.jpg
Beware that your browser will probably try to compress the image to fit on your monitor. Holding your pointer over the image for a few seconds should make an “expansion” icon appear.
Here are the important bits:
Does this agree with everyone’s ideas about what is where, and how to get there? I couldn’t pick out *precisely* where the important trees are. Can you help with that, stercox?

Let me bump relavant photos so no one gets lost….

forest_blight

Okay, here we go. Stercox, do these match your recollection?
The full map:
http://www.geocities.com/quantpsy/trove/map_with_text2.gif

another one.

Re: Milwaukee update
« Reply #223 on: July 21, 2007, 04:09:38 »
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hey all,
I have spent the last ten days bumming around Milwaukee and I spent a few days at Lake Park trying to figure out the path that the verse lays out.  Everytime I followed the verse I ended up at the same tree that FB and stercox dug at last year.  So needless to say I didn’t find it but I do have a few things to report.
First, I checked a bunch of different parks and saw absolutely no reason to believe that it is anywhere other than Lake Park.  I didn’t expect to but I thought I would be thorough.
Secondly, this is a minor point as it doesn’t change the location any, I don’t think that the two balls the woman in the image is juggling are lawnbowling balls.  I think they are golf tee markers on the golf course right next to the lawnbowling fields.  My rationale is a) the color is right and the same all the time while the only people I saw lawnbowling were using black balls b) tee markers would be there all the time whereas lawnbowling balls would only be there if someone was playing, and c) tee markers come in sets of two while lawnbowling balls come in sets of 3-4(I think)
Thirdly, I believe I found the culvert that is referred to in the lines:
PASS THE COMPASS AND REACH
THE FOOT OF THE CULVERT
BELOW THE BRIDGE
After climbing the grand staircase you have to cross the golf course in order to get to the stairs that lead down into ravine 1.  At first, I didn’t really like this because there is a far easier way to pass the compass.  You just stay on the path that leads around the golf course and pass the compass by crossing the lion’s head bridge.  However, from there there is no easy way to get down into the ravine and below the bridge.  It’s doable but you could easily fall and hurt yourself climbing down the steeps sides of the ravine.  So I’m sure that BP would have taken (and wanted us to take) the far safer way and cross the golf course and descend into ravine 1 via the stairs at the far end of the ravine.  Once down there just before you reach the lion’s head bridge you pass the compass.  You can’t see it from there and I don’t know whether or not you could see it from there in 1982 but you definitely pass it.  When you are under the lion’s head bridge you are standing on a wooden footbridge and holding up the far end of the wooden footbridge is a stonewall.  In that stone wall is the culvert.  It is an old clay pipe that is a drain or channel under the path(which is the definition of a culvert.)  It is actually below (in elevation) both bridges, the lion’s head bridge and the wooden footbridge.  It is not directly under either the lion’s head bridge or the wooden footbridge.  You would be about 4-5 feet past both bridges when you get to the culvert.  I did not see anything like that below the bridge in ravine 2.
If you then walk 100 paces from the culvert(and I took a pace to mean a slightly longer than usual step) you end up at the end of the ravine at the first young birch that shadowrunner has marked on his map.
Anyway, that is what I found.  I will probably be back there early next week and be there until the 31st or so if anybody wants to get together and do some searching.
digger7

forest_blight

Some maps from stercox. These clear things up a bit, and include corrections to my aerial view:

to explain diggers less steep route

Dig it up.

13 years old, klbt from fox? Huh?

Unknown

Unknown:
Dig it up.

Already tried – your turn!

Unknown

Unknown:
Verse 8:
View the three stories of Mitchell
As you walk the beating of the world
At a distance in time
From three who lived there
At a distance in space

Here is Mitchell Hall, in Milwaukee.
http://www.uwm.edu/map/buildings/vt-mit-prof.html
It looks like it’s 3 stories high, and was named in honor of 3 people.

Unknown

Unknown:
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
On a proud, tall fifth
At its southern foot
The treasure waits.

Wonderstone originates from Africa (South Africa).
http://www.galleryofstone.com/stone_info/pages/wonderstone_info.htm
However, it is also found in the western U.S.
http://www.geocities.com/av_gem/Wonderstone.html
Could this part of the verse just refer to seeing the letters “S” or “A”? (South Africa — the COUNTRY of wonderstone’s hearth)

and the building houses the university’s Dept. of Africanology.
Would the casque be “buried” inside a building?  Walk the halls, find a clue?

You might wanna walk up those stairs a little further.
Also, that tree isn’t a birch…look again, it’s a white poplar.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mixedmetaphor/5655726415/

Unknown

Unknown:
and at 100 paces ends up at a birch tree

Absolutely correct, if a “pace” is 10″, and that’s the first young birch. Even stair treads are wider than that. And that’s the best case scenario.

pacing down a staircase doesn’t make sense, he would have said step down as he did in Cleveland.

Right. That birch stump is VERY compelling (actually gives me a lot of hope)…but when I picture over “rock and soil”, it’s not a paved or even stone set of stairs. I think of a rocky path.

TJ,
Is this more like what you expected?

Deuce

The tree you have marked as 5 is where I dug. I took a “pace” as 36 inches. Across the street is where it took me. I then remembered a conversation I had with the Lake Park Friends. When asking for permission to dig there they said not in the park but the beach side of the street was fair game. So when my paces took me there I thought maybe Preiss knew that as well. So I looked at the trees there and came across that one. I also thought, like rookhunter, there may have been trees removed and this might be our “fifth”. Then I saw the tree up close and thought it looked familiar. That’s why I dug there.

Ah ok I thought it was the one right  in front of where the group dug. Looks like erosion is taking its toll on that part of the park. At this point I would dig on the southern foot of every tree that looked like the one in the cape.

rookhunter

which Proud 5th? Well it is a tree that is obvious

I agree with Erexere…could be a tree, but I think it was deliberately left ambiguous.

This is probably nothing more than a very strange coincidence, but in 1962, Alfred Bader began operating an art gallery in Milwaukee’s Astor Hotel, and the current gallery shows a painting called “Woman Playing Harpsichord” by Wijbrand Hendricks.  Could the painting have been there in the early 80s?  Intriguing, eh?
But wait, there’s more.  From the July 14, 2005 issue of the Wisconsin Jewish Chronicle:  “Bader and his second wife, Isabel, live in the same home that he purchased in 1957 for $27,500. Bader originally selected the location because it was close to Congregation Emanu-El B’ne Jeshurun, where he taught Sunday school for more than 30 years.”
So where is this home?  An address search shows it at 2961 N Shephard Avenue.  In other words, between Mitchell Hall and Lake Park.
Was the painting in Bader’s home in the early 1980’s?
Drew

Boy, it is a shame that this monument is located in Washington Park on the opposite side of the city from Lake Park:
http://jamrent.50megs.com/finn/statue.htm
If you click on the picture of Steuben’s statue, you’ll see two of the statue’s plaques containing letters of correspondence between Steuben and George Washington.  Even though the first letter was written while Steuben was in the United States at the time, this is exactly the kind of thing I had envisioned for this verse regarding the “letter from the country” line.  If this verse truly does match Image 10, then I believe the wonderstone’s hearth would be Germany and may be found near a statue or monument with similar traits.

A friend of mine in Wisconsin is not very far from Milwaukee.  She is willing to make a trip for us and take some pictures (and count all those steps!), but she is not free to do so until early next week.

Pictures really help us out–that would be great Cat. Thank her for all of us.

“At a distance IN TIME / From three who lived there”
Are there any graves (monumental burials) in the park?
“At a distance IN SPACE / From woman with harpsichord /
Silently playing”
Is there such a statue or picture or frieze near, but not there?

I cant wait to see your friends pix cat… they sure do help a lot, by either confirming ideas we have or discounting them.  Keep us posted Cat….  could we be nearing the 3rd find?
I really like the “grand 200” (CC) idea.
……………..

I was typing Kenwood Blvd into Google Maps and it pre-empted with Mitchell Hall!
http://goo.gl/maps/kHNhP

Unless you are just having fun with ideas…isn’t it like re-inventing the wheel to offer more possible meanings
for “the beating of the world” other than Kenwood Blvd.?
AP

I second that conclusion, though the iconic path concept was pretty darn cool at the time.

no worries, your mileage may vary.

Awilson

Sorry that makes no sense everything about lake park is the ideal place the water tower is not a park ?? where is it on the painting ? it should have atleast 3 or more clues to get you to that place c’mon

I’m not sure where you got those rules but the multitude of clues and how I deciphered them got me to my dig spot. Now, maybe Lake Park is ideal for your solve but not for mine. And just so you know, the Water Tower is in an area referred to as Water Tower Park.
Josh recently jumped on board with my Water Tower solve but many, many people haven’t. That’s what’s so cool about these puzzles, we are all right until we’re not.

erexere

Proud…to have received an award, a medal, a rank that recognizes your achievement or success.
Tall…everyone around you is short because you have a nice plinth on which to stand, or you are sitting on a horse, or you’re just freakishly tall.
Fifth…5 somethings.

So… five star general?

It’s uncertain and only somewhat reasonable based on Chicagon and Cleveland summaries to say we know how any of the other puzzles work.
It’s hard to say you have a certainty in a match for any clue when the verse is stripped down quasi-generic representation or idea that might apply anywhere.
We tend to get self indulgent about what we expect makes a good puzzle or ideal hiding place. If Cleveland or Chicago are any kind of model for specificity, then some to the places in Lake Park do make great sense. The problem I have in MKE is the semi-certain fix on Downtown, leading towards Solomon Juneau doesn’t compel me to consider going North to Lake, which is a distant leap, any more than going South by the same distance. Theresa lot of things which can point to two or three different places, and in combination we would hope that helps us fine tune our direction. It’s a weird journey where Lincoln would be a good fit, but after that we still have juggling/wrestling ahead of us to decide what makes the best sense forna dig instruction like “at the end of ten by thirteen” or “beneath the tenth stone”.

Unknown

Unknown:
If Cleveland or Chicago are any kind of model for specificity, then some to the places in Lake Park do make great sense.

If MKE worked like Chicago, then the Treasure Ground should be at the base of the ravine below the Lighthouse. That is the most obvious, logical, and consistent destination once you “pass the compass”. The fact that nothing has been found there to date (and more than likely it’s because there was nothing there to find) should tell you all you need to know about Chicago as a “model of specificity”.
By the by, Roanoke (another path puzzle) works (or doesn’t work as the case may be) in almost exactly the same manner.

Not sure Preiss would have found a 5 Star general standing in the woods on the side of a road in which to bury a casque under his foot….but it was the late 70’s

Euhirudinea

If MKE worked like Chicago, then the Treasure Ground should be at the base of the ravine below the Lighthouse. That is the most obvious, logical, and consistent destination once you “pass the compass”. The fact that nothing has been found there to date (and more than likely it’s because there was nothing there to find) should tell you all you need to know about Chicago as a “model of specificity”.
By the by, Roanoke (another path puzzle) works (or doesn’t work as the case may be) in almost exactly the same manner.

Roanoke’s path is Weird in that the path starts with the first line of the verse and then goes to the image (roanoke by the window) , as opposed to chicago which starts at the water tower, an image in the picture and then goes to the first line of the verse.

MrBackstop

From the viewpoint you attached, the casque should be next to the Water Tower at bottom left which is the Southern point. The fencing is now out of the way since the landscaping was cleaned up.
As far as getting here, I started in the middle of the verse from where so many people kept getting to, the Lighthouse. So much solid research had already been completed over the years that it made sense to me to go from here.
Once I went passed the Lighthouse, down to the ravine and went the 100 steps SE, I realized two things. First BP would be referring to a Birch tree and secondly, “pass three” did not mean three Birch trees, but the Par 3 golf course in the park above.
The key to me was the phrase “staying west”. As you continue down the sidewalk on Lincoln you are staying to the west of those 100 steps you took to get to the first young birch. I just kept going in that direction until something in the distance stood out, the Northpoint Water Tower.
At this point I was to the west of the first young birch and passed the Par 3 golf course (red balls in image artwork).
The stone work of this tower is incredible and once I researched how the historic water towers worked I realized the hearth is part of it…..wonderstone’s hearth.
Now we just need melted snow, thawed ground and a little luck.

Not sure I can, just yet, buy into Priess leading us through parts of Milwaukee into Lakes Park, just to have us walk out of it and down the road several miles to the water tower. Is the millstone along that path walking away from Lake Park? What was at the end of the Locoust ravine where it meets N. Lincoln Memorial Dr.?

Unknown

Unknown:
Roanoke’s path is Weird in that the path starts with the first line of the verse

Are you talking about the Iconic to Park Path, or the path you are meant to travel on foot? Because the former is pretty much useless in MKE with regard to identifying the Park.

Euhirudinea

Are you talking about the Iconic to Park Path, or the path you are meant to travel on foot? Because the former is pretty much useless in MKE with regard to identifying the Park.

Iconic to path park.. Unless you go city hall to locust dr.

Sorry that makes no sense everything about lake park is the ideal place the water tower is not a park ?? where is it on the painting ? it should have atleast 3 or more clues to get you to that place c’mon

Unknown

Unknown:
Unless you go city hall to locust dr.

By the same methodology, you can go from City Hall to at least a half-dozen parks and green spaces in MKE. And it gets even less definitive in cities like New Orleans or San Francisco, where seemingly no park is eliminated by the process. You are welcome to draw your own conclusions, but I concluded a while back that Iconic to Park Path is not the process Preiss intended for us to use to identify the park with the certainty the puzzle requires. It’s just another thing to argue about.

Here are some photos from my recent (brief) trip to Milwaukee, to give people a feel for what it is like on the ground:
http://kspot.org/trove/lakepark/lakepark.htm

The bridge north of bistro has a pattern on diagonal that matches in similarity to the womans collar.

Sorry erexere, I’m not seeing it. I don’t think it’s a match.

Nice find WR!
Regarding paces… if a pace is two steps, 100 paces would put us across Lincoln Memorial Drive, regardless of which ravine is chosen.

Pass the compass has me convinced it applies to something named North Point.  The light house, the water tower, or the neighborhood natmed North Point are the main options.  If one line takes us that far in distance from the Grand Stair, it might only need another 7 or 8 lines to get us to Kosciuszko Park.
Another thing, Proud tall fifth certainly has our minds on looking for the fifth thing among a set of somethings, e.g. birch trees, lion statues, etc., but nobody seems to recognize the solid possibility of a 1-star General aka Brigadier General as a fifth, since the rank of General maxes at 5-stars.  1 of 5 or 1/5 is commonly known as a fifth as well.

Just ruminating on the word “pace”…
pace/pās/
Noun:
A single step taken when walking or running
.
It is 100 “steps” from just below the bridge
to the end of the North Lion Bridge Ravine.
Coincidence?
AP

…does that get you to the junction with Lincoln…? Am I right in thinking that you’d only “pass the compass” to get below the north ravine bridge by passing it on the way north to the other end…? And that 100 paces southeast from a point below the bridge over the south ravine would take you over the road…?
I just put a note about this quest on a metal detecting forum, and within minutes someone replied that it was one of the most interesting posts they’d ever read. You know, y’all could learn a lot from that bunch…

animal painter

Just ruminating on the word “pace”…
pace/pās/
Noun:
A single step taken when walking or running
.
It is 100 “steps” from just below the bridge
to the end of the North Lion Bridge Ravine.
Coincidence?
AP

Unknown

Unknown:
Quote from: animal painter on May 30, 2012, 10:16:48 pm
cw0909,
I always assumed that a pace is one “walking step” or stride. (I could be wrong.)
If you use 2 steps for a pace, that makes the Milwaukee clue entirely different.
AP
(I like your illustration… )

bringing this from v2
how much dif do you think,maybe 2Xs what you had b4
i did my driveway my measure was 23 1/2 paces,the 2 foot fall
count and going with the 5ft,117.5 ft, taped measured 118ft
and i walk with a slight limp,left leg

You know AP, perhaps the proud tall fifth is the largest and/or oldest chestnut tree in the park.  With all your contacts there, maybe a simple inquery about it could solve this thing for you (and us).

Walk 100 paces
I really have to remember that this doesn’t tell us which direction.  Just because the next line is “Southeast over rock and soil”, that doesn’t mean we walk 100 paces southeast.
I’m going to go over my notes again and consider what new points of interest pop up if we consider 360 degrees of travel from where spots “below the bridge” leave us.

Have you seen the hi-res bird’s eye view of the lighthouse and bridges from Microsoft Bing Maps 3D?

Thanks wk, that’s a great resource.  🙂
At a quick glance, the street-level mapping doesn’t seem as comprehensive, but it offers useful alternative aerial views of these locations, as well as ground-level in some cases. Do they use a different satellite or something?
I’m installing Ovi as well now. You’ve opened my eyes to a whole new world of mapping. This is going to waste even more of my time.

I’ve previously looked for the distinctive shape of the lion bridge in image 10, and this one suddenly jumped out at me. Can’t remember if it’s been mentioned before. The three prongs at either end match the pattern in the cloak and fingers, with the arm as the path.
The edge of the cloak would be the ravine.
I haven’t given up hope of using an image as a map at some point.
*** Brainstorming ***
The coppery edge of the collar is linked with the copper sign of the Pabst theatre, and with Lincoln Memorial Drive which is also “cast in copper”. That might put the gem in the area at the south end of one of the ravines before the turning. I previously suggested a 5 in the crook of the juggler’s elbow, and that’s right in the middle of this bridge shape, so I’m inclined to think of the bridge and its pride as the 5th. That would mean the location is not necessarily beside a birch.
So…if it can’t be found by following the instructions literally and looking for a specific tree, how do you find it? Would have to be from some missing pictorial clue. For instance, Sonoran seemed to be wandering around this kind of scenery in that general area, though I’m not sure exactly where this is. There are elements in the image that remind me of steps. (I’m not suggesting there’s a match here; it’s just a random example of the way in which it might conceivably work. I’m not convinced the verses are always enough to get you to the exact spot. Also wondering about waits/weights/waist as a final pointer.)
I see it something like this:
The lion bridge shape fits the south ravine best, being the left sleeve from this angle. The left edge of the cloak is the south trail (dotted line) down to Lincoln, the curving copper band.
Ideally someone could find a millstone or something lying around in the circled area where the amethyst is.  😉 I don’t know what this area looks like…would be interested to see some pics.
Another shape that might be worth considering is the gem; eg, an open area with steps in one corner or something.
On the other hand, the scale might be completely different, putting it right next to a “prong”. In fact I like that better.
Ie, here:
What does that look like on the ground…?
(Then again, the casque might be represented by the red ball between the two prongs opposite, at the other end of this bridge.)

AP,
those are great pictures!
how long before things defrost up there?
i hope you have one of those poking things that others have used.  if you do poke around the lions, don’t poke  past the 5th columns on the bridges,
from either end or side
are they called south and north lion bridges?

i thought it was an unwritten rule (i read this somewhere) that if you wrote a treasure hunt and used the word “pace” that somewhere you had to specify exactly how far it was.  does anyone know if BP did this in the book anywhere? myself, i find it interesting that the lighthouse was moved exactly “100 feet east” from where it first stood.
http://flickr.com/photos/10751862@N04/1 … otostream/
boogieman i thought the whole point was for everyone to give their ideas and the hunters might get ideas from something we might say…that’s what i’m hoping, that something i say might help. i would love to find the very thing someone needed to go find the casque, like johanns did..wasn’t it johanns that found the names that pointed to the cleveland park? that would be such a cool thing. i wanna be a johanns

wow, i just looked up the word “fifth” in the thesaurus, and it’s strange, look:
Roget’s New Millennium™ Thesaurus – Cite This Source – Share This
Main Entry:  enemy
Part of Speech:  noun
Definition:  foe
Synonyms:  adversary, agent, antagonist, archenemy, asperser, assailant, assassin, attacker, backbiter, bad guy, bandit, betrayer, calumniator, competitor, contender, criminal, crip, defamer, defiler, detractor, disputant, emulator, falsifier, fifth column*, foe, guerrilla, informer, inquisitor, invader, meat, murderer, opponent, opposition, other side*, prosecutor, rebel, revolutionary, rival, saboteur, seditionist, slanderer, spy, terrorist, traducer, traitor, vilifier, villain
Antonyms:  ally, benefactor, friend, supporter,
i like “other side”, “fifth column”….but is there some bandit in lake park?
i’d of never thought of these meanings
the dictionary mentioned the gear shift also,  shseverin, your mentioning that made me look it up.

Slappy,
Spring thaw is about a month away, if we are lucky…
By May, for sure. (leaves show up about the second
week in May.)
I called them North and South bridge, only for the purpose
of identification.
Where do you see the profile of the Lion at the end of the
cape?
AP

Hmmmm…..okay, that worked!—assuming that perhaps it IS one of the bridges…
Then the “letter from wonderstone’s hearth” is the next puzzle. If “wonderstone” is amethyst, and amethyst is German, then a “German letter” is what you are looking for. The only distinctive German letter I know of is:
ß called es-zett or scharfes S (sharp s)
which looks like two cursive f’s together.
A decorative element could conceivably have this shape, such as a double-scroll on the end of a railing or something like that.
I also thought about
two lions
=
two lines
= L or T or X, etc… (made of two lines) but I do not think Preiss would have been that obscure. It’s not as strong a connection to me, anyway. All of the letters made with two lines could be used as part of structures, yet somehow I’m just not convinced that’s what it means.
The knothole was a great idea–yet I wonder if it was there or as distinctive 30 years ago. Ditto for the G.

Slappy, Boogie and Shecrab,
I am open to the idea that the Proud Tall Fifth could be one of the
bridges in Lake Park.  So, thinking in that direction, I went back
to photos of the bases of the two Lion Bridges.
If we thought it was challenging to find a plexiglas box at the
foot of a tree…then looking at the foot of a bridge is a
“monumental” endeavor. These bridges are at least 20 ft. wide…
If you “
pass the compass and reach the foot of the culvert
“, you
could be under either the South Lion Bridge or the North Lion Bridge…
depending on which trail you took.  You have to pass the lighthouse
to get to the West end (beginning) of either trail.
Below the bridge, walk 100 paces Southeast over rock and soil
I know that it is 100 normal steps from below the North Lion bridge
to the East end of the Northern Ravine trail.  It takes you in a Southeasterly
direction and it is over steps made of rocks separated by dirt
The distance from the South Lion Bridge to the East end of the
South Ravine trail, is not quite 100 normal steps.
It also goes in a Southeasterly direction, but the steps are made of
wooden timbers separated by dirt.
If you look for a
young birch
at the end of either trail, it appears that the
Northern Ravine trail has a tree about the right age and is “brichy” looking.
The Southern Ravine trail may have had a young birch at some time, but it
is not obviously visible now.
Here comes the tricky part….
Pass three, staying west
1.  If you head West from the Southern Ravine exit, you would be
headed up a very wooded steep hill to get up to the Southern end of
the South Lion Bridge. (I do not know if it would be considered the foot.)
If you stay on the West…or left side of the grassy area at the end of the
Southern Ravine trail, moving Northeast, you would reach the
Northern Ravine trail exit…
There are 3 bridges from the Eastern end of the Northern Ravine trail
to the North Lion Bridge (taking you in a North
west
erly direction.
2. If you leave the Northern Ravine trail exit and stay West, it will take you
to the Southern Ravine trail exit…and West to the South Lion Bridge.
I do not think that there are any bridges on that South Ravine trail before
you get to the South Lion Bridge.
I have not seen any letters on either Lion bridge yet.
Here is the link to photos of the Lion Bridges/bases
http://tinyurl.com/3akr7k
They were taken last July.
They may seem confusing, but you can get the idea of what they look like.
From frozen (9 degrees) Milwaukee.
AP
Just for the record…BOTH trails, as of today…are solid ice…and could be
used for Olympic toboggan-runs!

AP, see where the cloak comes from her neck to our right? at the very end of the cloak, i guess i should have said a silhouette of the lion, the dark shadow at the very end of the cloak, underneath the blue part and to the right. the lions are so distinctive and i love their paws, so maybe i’m just imagining it. ( i tend to do that
) i don’t think it matches the coast line, do you? or .. do you?

She,
The knothole looks like it is old enough to have been
there in 1982.
Another thing is the multi-trunk tree.
Why put a painting of that in the image
if you do not go in that direction or even
see it…when you’re stopping at the bridges…
As for a letter on the bridge…the “X” cross brace was
immediately evident.
Slappy,
I will have to take a closer look at the cape and
get back to you. Thanks for the ideas…
AP

Unknown

Unknown:
Another thing is the multi-trunk tree.
Why put a painting of that in the image
if you do not go in that direction or even
see it…when you’re stopping at the bridges…

True enough, yet JPP put the image of the fountain in the Cleveland painting twice, yet it was only peripherally involved in the solution–viz., letting you know you were in the right area. So no doubt it
is
important to identifying the area, but how involved is it in the actual casque location? Dunno.
Another interp of “letter from Wonderstone’s hearth”– W O N D E R S T O N E S H E A R T H —could be any of these letters. Shades of “Mad Mad Mad MAd world” and the giant W?  or maybe
W on der Stone’s Heart H?
Just brainstorming.

She,
You, and other recent posters, definitely bring
many new ideas to this “table”.
Thanks

KLBT,
I just put three photos of the area of Ravine Rd and LMD
on the webshots album…at:
http://tinyurl.com/3akr7k
It was getting dark when I took them, so they are not
as detailed as they should be. I can go back this weekend.
What leads you to this area?
I see a tree at the left that has a somewhat similar configuration
to the tree in the cape.
AP

Huh… I never noticed that…  No, nothing special about it… It’s just that in all of the places people have suggested to dig, it’s the only one nearby that has flat ground, no root systems (except that bush), is on LMD, and is behind something large and proliferate.

I just made an album of close-up photos of the two
Lion pedestal bases on the Southern bridge by the
cape-tree.
Any comments, opinions or observations are welcome.
In the photos, I refer to the “West Base” as the
Lion base nearest the cape-tree…It is the most
westerly of the two bases.  The “East Base” is the
companion base which is the more “south-easterly”
of the two bases.
When BP guided us with the
100 paces
he used
an exact direction…
Southeas
t
…as if he had a
compass with him.  If that is the case, then when he
said the treasure was waiting at the
southern foot
,
he probably had his compass out and was trying to be
just as exact.
AP
Here is the link to webshots:
http://tinyurl.com/3ylmxw

Looks terrific!
Looks like no matter how you slice it, there will be some heavy tree roots to deal with, unless you don’t stay west and dig on the east side of the base.  Along with a shovel, you may need a small hand saw or a sharp small axe.

It’s “Good Friday”, and in Milwaukee, it is snowing…again.
Forecast is for 6 inches…snowing until 10:00 tonight…
then again on Easter Sunday.
This effectively puts the Kai-Bosch on my searching,
probing or digging at Lake Park this weekend
I did go to the park for an hour yesterday to take
another look at the trees in the South Ravine,
(still not completely convinced about the
letter from the country of wonderstone’s
hearth on a proud tall fifth
being an “m” on the
bridge framework. )
I scrutinized every existing tree on either side of the ravine,
looking for “a letter” of any sort….no luck….but
I did find a tree that had succumbed to the the ravages
of this Milwaukee winter and had fallen across the Ravine trail.
AP
Good Friday update…Noon:
(Forget the 6-inches of snow forecast…we have already
received 12 inches in 5 hours…with 10 hours left to snow!
Lake Park will be under snow for a loooong time!)
3:00 update:
The snow is now over my knees!…at least 20″

Yeah. Harpsichord music.

wow, good to see some progress here!  I haven’t checked in lately because I don’t live near Milwaukee anymore
I’ll still try to help out from here

Please be merciful if this has been mentioned before.  What about the other possible meanings of the noun “compass”?  a circumference or boundary; an area, extent, scope; the range of tones of a voice or musical instrument (Oxford Dictionary)

Some maps from stercox. These clear things up a bit, and include corrections to my aerial view:

well, it does appear that the casque is by a tree. I had ruled out some locations in the zoo because I found that hard to deal with. I guess I’ll have more work to do with the bulldozer…
wilhouse

sorry, but i have to ask: How you know it’s the 5th tree going NW and not the 5th tree going SE?  Couldn’t you pass the “north point compass” from either ravine?  And isn’t the 2nd ravine more southeast?  If you don’t find the treasure at the NW tree, consider digging under the SE tree in the row of five as well, just in case.

Stercox marked the 5th tree going SW – the map is rotated 90 degrees clockwise. But your point is well-taken. It could be either tree depending on which ravine you start from. Not having been there in person, it makes more sense to me to
Pass the compass
by simply traversing the Lion Bridge before then going down Ravine 2, which has the GS marker at one end.

johann

the range of tones of a voice or musical instrument (Oxford Dictionary)

interesting idea Johann….that would tie into the aforementioned 5th as related to musical notes.
leaning towards the trees right now but if we come up empty there…music may need to be researched.

Aha…I see what you mean now “Ascend the 92 steps(…pause for effect…) After climbing the grand 200”
Now, if that is the case (which I must say makes a lot of sense) why or what is the 200?  Let us suppose that there are actually 92 steps leading up the staircase……are there 92 steps leading down the other side? (stairway is in 2 arched sections). Or are there more steps on one side than the other?  92+92 = quite close to 200
yes indeed, i like it a lot…let’s find this one Varin

I am sure you have done this several times before but you should try following the verse from begining to end and see the location you end up.
What we need and I do not know if it exists or if we could get one is a metal detecter type of item that could penatrate the ground and show you what is under ground that is not metal.
Such a thing would be useful for here Houston and San Fransisco.

Scottrocks,
That was my thinking, too.
So I did just that.  Walked the whole path!
I have used a hobby-grade metal detector
(not ground penetrating radar)
as recently as last weekend.  It goes off at
the base of almost every potential tree….
So I dug 6-inch diameter holes by 3 different
trees….I dug until I hit stone…
I believe the only way to be more definite in
digging is to find photos that showed what
BP saw.  That is why I am pursuing the Girl
Scouts Leaders and hopefully their personal
photo albums.
Thanks for your input!
AP

Egbert’s popcorn…

yes I know…..we really have to find another casque to start narrowing our list or else find another almost concrete theory (which I believe Houston to be).
Are there any other famous Mitchells that have either written 3 known stories (margaret wrote more) or live in a very popular 3 story house?  Atlanta is still very high on my list for this one for the moment  😛

most probably meaningless but chapter 67 of
A Treatise of Human Nature
by the Scottish philosopher/historian David Hume speaks both of a distance in time and a distance in space.

Unknown

Unknown:
Wonderstone originates from Africa (South Africa).
http://www.galleryofstone.com/stone_info/pages/wonderstone_info.htm
However, it is also found in the western U.S.
http://www.geocities.com/av_gem/Wonderstone.html
Could this part of the verse just refer to seeing the letters “S” or “A”? (South Africa — the COUNTRY of wonderstone’s hearth)

That’s right.  This is one of my first posts on this thread:

I seem to remember that Wonderstone comes from south africa
http://www.giancarlostone.com/wonderstone.html
and also from Utah.
wilhouse.

Lots of stuff going on in this next photo and there’s probably lots missing.  I’ve tried to map instances where I think verse and image go with landmarks.
Yellow numbers go with the Picture
1. the city hall spires in background
1a. forgot to add in the blacksmith metal work that looks like the flower
2. the orbs as basketball references to the Mecca arena
3. Zeidler Union Park where doing perspective math to find angle and distance gets you
4. the line of the cloak along the back of woman’s head area matches blue shaded river area when rotated 90 deg.
5. the cloak tip matches this green shaded area near Northpoint park
6. the orange shaded river bank matches the forehead to chin profile of the woman who is now wearing pink lipstick
7. the pattern inside of the collar matches the area around statue in Koscuiszko Park
Red numbers go with Verse:
1. Mitchell Hall
2. Grand Stair
3. 100 paces south east
4. Letter from the country
5. Compass = North (lighthouse, park, or street)
6. hmm…oh, this was meant to go with the Image for the Art Museum
7. woman, with harpsichord
8. distance in time (second street)
9. nevermind
10. pass three stay west (from 2nd go past 3rd, 4th, and 5th to land on 6th)
11. step onto nature
12. proud tall fifth, statue of 1 star general
13. cast in copper (Lincoln Ave.)

WR, great stuff, I’m not sold on the helicopter, but I love the germanic link to wonderstone and heart+H, along with the cloak tip and blacksmith art.  I had been looking for a link to the word ‘epistle’ but havn’t found anything.  **edit: the epistolary form of writing would have to be well known by B.Preiss, as it was used in works like Clarissa by Samuel Richardson or Frankenstein by M. Shelly.  ‘Letter from the country’ just really grabbed me that way…still really like the H for hospital though, since etymologically speaking, the german word SPITAL is very similar to the word EPISTLE, if you wish to allow rearrangement to ESPITLE and S-PITLE = SPITAL, or HOSPITAL.  Whether or not the hospital sign was in place at the time in 1981 to see the specific letter ‘H’, the fact that there is a hospital there is the equivalent of a “letter from the country”.  A root meaning to do with the word ‘hosptial’ is ‘foreigner’ or ‘stranger’ and  that in German is ‘Ausslander’ which can be seen as “from the country”.  Sorry if I’m seem redundant or to be over thinking…just had my afternoon espresso.
I’m feeling good about the Kosciuszko statue for two reasons now that I’m inclined to scratch the wonderstone connection I tried to force with it.  1. Walkway layout matches collar pattern (not that the shape of collar doesn’t match something somewhere else as WR has suggested) and 2. 1/5th General.
At a distance in time = “second” or 2nd street as best I can tell and
At a distance in space = “state” as in a thermodynamic system where you consider variables like pressure, volume, etc… I derive this line of thinking from a number of ‘engineering’ related clues I’ve gathered from other possible casque solutions.  There always seemed to be a school of Engineering nearby or a reference to a person who was an engineer…like L. Ron Hubbard or S. Lancaster.  I suppose it all plays into the architectural themes.

animal painter

The collar design looks a lot like this park just down the street from the Northpoint Lighthouse.

Unknown

Unknown:
Colnik heard about the “German Athens” to the north, Milwaukee, and decided he could better earn a living with Milwaukee’s large German speaking communities. Colnik received several commissions from beer barons Captain Frederick Pabst and Herman Uihlein of Schlitz Brewing Company, among other “48ers” who had amassed fortunes since the German influx into America in 1848.
Colnik was a pacifist. When World War I broke out he became depressed. He heard of an English officer who saw atop the building of one of the largest German newspapers in Milwaukee a symbol of Germany’s greatest conquest: a statue of Miss Germania. The English wanted the statue removed. One night, Colnik helped remove Miss Germania from the building and concealed her in his shop so she would not be defaced or stolen. The statue has never been seen nor recovered since.

Pass three, staying west
If you interpret the 100 paces as leading back from the lion bridge to Lincoln Memorial Drive, one of the threes you pass heading west is a road sign.
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
“Hearth” always seemed a strange choice of word, and I’d wondered if it was a clue for the letter: “country of wonderstone’s heart – h”, H being at the heart of Deutschland and Amethyst.
A bit further on, you pass the “H” of the St Mary’s Hospital helipad.
The “beating of the whirled”…?
It’s near the collar-like North Point Park…
The helipad is at the tip of the cloak-like shape which rests on the collar in the image.
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
On a proud, tall fifth
At its southern foot
The treasure waits.
Maybe the letter isn’t actually on the fifth, and it means “onwards”, or something.
I like the idea of getting the collar-park onto the collar.
Perhaps there’s some connection between the character’s collar and the millstone which seems to be the focus of her attention.
If she’s looking at the hole in the middle of the millstone…and we’re looking for the hole in the middle of the collar…then based on the cloak analogy that would be somewhere round here…
The lines indicate the area I associate with the cloak tip on the collar, containing the helipad. I’ve circled the
Villa Terrace Decorative Arts Museum
.
It features displays by Austrian master blacksmith
Cyril Colnik
.

From woman, with harpsichord
Silently playing
This is Jean Atkinson in a historic photo at the Volunteer Services for the Visually Impaired organization that shares the Milwaukee Public Library building.  Now it is known as ABLE or Audio & Braille Literary Enhancement.  The “silently playing” has either to do with a statue or some element of imagery or possibly a deafness motif, which is often seen paired with the blindness disability.  Why do people tend to speak loudly when talking to a person with visual disability?  I’ve paired her photo with a historic painting of a woman playing a Virginal type harpsichord.

BP just said it wasn’t in central park
not that it wasn’t near central park

another possible NY connection
From woman, with harpsichord Silently playing….
at the Metropolitan Museum of Art is this famous piece:
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/todi/hd_todi.htm
which unfortunatley puts us right back to the outskirts of Central Park.  ;D

Deuce

When I go up there I won’t have a ton of time to try out every single idea.

Planning a trip then? That would be great. Incidentally apart from the Image 10 and Verse 8 threads, there’s quite a few posts in this one in case you missed it.
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … pic=3000.0
There’s also a bunch of other short Milwaukee threads.
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … pic=4652.0
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … pic=4657.0
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … pic=4947.0
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … pic=5361.0
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … pic=5555.0
While I agree with Juneau as a possible fifth, I still think “its southern foot” may refer to the park rather than the statue. The only pic of this area I’ve ever seen is in this PDF about the “pollinator garden”.
http://www.fs.fed.us/wildflowers/pollin … Report.pdf
(This is also quite close to the Art Museum if that’s where the harpsichordist was.)

Merlot,
I have never seen that rectangular shape on Ellis Island presented before!
That is quite an eye opener!
AP

Merlot Brougham

And despite popular opinion, The NY box puzzle screams of Ellis Island, no? I know that goes against the popular theory of self-appointed rule makers who decree there is no way possible the cask was ever buried on Ellis Island, but all the clues are there:

I agree that Image 12 screams Ellis Island, but as I recall, there is no verse that even comes close to describing Ellis Island.
This should really go on the Image 12 thread, btw.

Egbert

This should really go on the Image 12 thread, btw.

Sure thing, coach

Euhirudinea

I also think New York and New Orleans are box puzzles.[

And despite popular opinion, The NY box puzzle screams of Ellis Island, no? I know that goes against the popular theory of self-appointed rule makers who decree there is no way possible the cask was ever buried on Ellis Island, but all the clues are there:
You see how the shadow exactly matches the real statue of Liberty? The sun shines in certain directions and only casts that specific shadow on the Statue of Liberty, so although there is a replica Statue of Liberty in Monkeys Eyebrow, Kentucky and this image of the Statue of Liberty is “obviously” a red herring *wokka wokka wokka*. The treasure is in Kentucky and not New York, guys. Because the author that was worried about everything being found too quickly planted a false image of the statue of Liberty. Jesus Christ….
And no, I don’t think the Spires are intended to be some random Russian Orthodox Church deep in the heart of Queens, I think they are the spires of Ellis Island.
It’s 1982. Bryon Preiss gives you an exact match of the birds on the Ferry Building terminal on Ellis Island that several people missed on their trips to Ellis Island. Must mean it’s buried at Fort Hamilton, or somewhere on Staten Island, right? I don’t buy it.

decibalnyc

…just trying to get people to start offering suggestions as to what that 200 is for…what else could it be…other opinions?

The bicentennial?
https://www.trails.com/tcatalog_trail.a … BGM049-039
Is there a trail there (or possible sign that used to be there), that could physically tie into the path/progression of clues?
Although I don’t know if you can “climb” the grand 200 if it is a trail there…never been there.

TJ,
Here is the big problem with the trail.
Coming from your start, down wells to the Juneau statue match, is where you can pick up the O.L.T., it runs paralell to LMD (Step on nature / Cast in copper) and only goes one way as it starts at the south end of Juneau park on the west side of the st. Keep in mind that on the LAKE SIDE of LMD is the continuation of the oak leaf trail from the south side of town, and this runs the course of the lakeshore all the way to whitefish bay and beyond, you would have no reason to cross the street tho, you pick up the trail in Juneau Park and take it from there.
The trail you pick up at the Juneau statue, splits off at McKinley Park and takes you to Gordon Park, along the Milwaukee River…which also has stairs and interesting things to look at. At McKinley park however you can continue along the sidewalk (which was the Oak Leaf Trail prior to the intersection) and walk LMD for a few blocks and the trail meets up with it again at the water tower. Keep on walking and you’re going to see the grand staircase.
The only signage we have to look at when we get to the stairs… (click on picture and you’ll see, the Lake Park Sign, the Street signs calling out Lincoln, and Ravine rd. and a locust st trail sign which wasn’t there in 81, and the stone)
At the top of the stairs there is far less…like nothing, so our only instruction is 200, and there is nothing written up there. There are the 2 light posts at the top which I took pictures of a few years back for Oregonian. There were electrical taps on the front of the light posts facing the stairs covered by metal panels. The panel on the SOUTH side of the stairs has a masons compass on it, but the panels don’t look like they are 35yrs old at all. Oregonian took this find, and reversed it to say the panel was on the NORTH side light to shoehorn his solve at the bottom of Ravine Rd. There’s still no posted solution that can be agreed upon, on this forum, in regards to the 200.

Just to show you, this is the south side
And here is the North Side
I did notice a small plaque on the stairs in the above picture, I remember checking it out when I took the photo, and I believe it had a dedication date of 1996, but I’ll check again.
I just wanted to post this to show that the one plate remaining is in fact on the south side, and not the north as Oregonian would have you believe from his solution on the Wiki.
I think it’s safe to say that at one point, those masons compass’ were on both sides of the stairs. They probably needed to tap into the light and lost the plate, OR someone stole it as a keepsake, or whatever. I have heard that the lightposts have always been marked with that symbol, but I couldn’t get a date verification when I asked. AND before we can pass the compass (which if we interpret it as this, would have been on both sides, or only the south side of the stairs if they were still there) we still have…. 200

Glossiphoniidae

Well, I have also been looking for this because I haven’t been convinced about the Olmsted significance (that dude was everywhere). I’ve been looking at BP making stops at the local art museums, which Chicago seemed to point out, and I’ve had some great success. I haven’t shared this before because I have been working on it’s significance. I’ll let you all find others (I’ll share a couple good ones, IMO), but here’s four to peak your interest…
The Chicago image utilized the Great Lakes Fountain.
The Cleveland image utilized the Man and Horse Armour.
The Charleston image utilized the Persephone Fountain.
The Boston image utilized the Horus Falcon (Horace
).
Interestingly, BP also seemed to rely on a work of art featured in some museums, too.

Yes. Yes. I think this is prime source material for one of the “prongs” if you will, of the puzzles for each location. Local museums, art galleries, and cultural gardens…all within a “vicinity” of the burial location.

While we won’t know for absolute until we dig up a few more, we have more than enough circumstantial evidence to pinpoint the general location of at least 3 casques in addition to the 2 that we already have out of the ground: Houston, Milwaukee, and Roanoke. Xiesih claims that he has the definitive solution to the Boston puzzle, so perhaps we can add that one to the list once he is ready to share his ideas publicly. That’s six of twelve and if we add FOY, which also seems pretty solid, we have over half of the puzzle solved.
Of the puzzles mentioned above, four fit the Chicago pattern (a walk [or ride] that takes you from Point A to Point T) and only one (FOY) that fits the Cleveland pattern (a fairly detailed description of the general area surrounding the treasure ground). Intuitively, this makes sense since we have to accept that in most cases, the treasure ground has probably changed significantly in the 33 years since Preiss buried the casques. The verses that focus on the treasure ground are therefore harder to decipher today for all those changes.
As for an all encompassing unifying theme, I’m not sure it exists beyond what we have already discovered. Preiss probably had his routine as he traveled the country, and probably stuck to it as much as possible from city to city. And if it lead him to a suitable place to bury the casque, so much the better. But he probably had to make a fair amount of decisions on the fly (ground conditions, weather, prying eyes, information after the fact, etc.), since I don’t believe he scouted all twelve locations in advance. IOW, I believe Preiss was flexible and we should be as well.
Let me ask this question: Where would you bury the casque in Lake Park?

Unknown

Unknown:
I think the beginning of the verse could be figured out, but it’s not crucial to solving it. Thoughts?

Solving the first part of this verse isn’t necessary to find the treasure in Milwaukee, but could prove to be useful for the other solves.
As for the “proud tall fifth”, if the “first” is a tree, and “three” are also trees, then it makes sense that “fifth” is a tree as well. Besides, unless things have changed significantly in that area (and historical photos seem to suggest that is not the case), what else in the immediate area is both “proud” and “tall”? There’s a grown-up in Milwaukee that used to be a kid with a pen knife that need to come clean.

Renovator, I was wondering how long you’ve been working on these puzzles? I’ve been at it for a
3.5 years. Its amazing how even now, new ideas seem to be popping up to keep it interesting. This hunt has definitely been warming up and I believe more help from folks like yourself will help recover a casque someday soon.

Unknown

Unknown:
Renovator, I was wondering how long you’ve been working on these puzzles?

Unknown

Unknown:
This hunt has definitely been warming up and I believe more help from folks like yourself will help recover a casque someday soon.

For about 5 years now. But since I am at least 5 hours from the nearest treasure ground, and don’t travel for work, I’ve never really given much thought to actually digging one of these things up. And it’s only been recently that I thought that what I have learned from following the forum might be useful to the people who are actually willing to do the shovel work. Which is why I am more fully involved now.
That is kind of you to say. I certainly hope that will be the case.

Euhirudinea

As for the “proud tall fifth”, if the “first” is a tree, and “three” are also trees, then it makes sense that “fifth” is a tree as well.

This is one subject I would like to debate. I don’t think the “proud tall fifth” is a 100% tree. I’m not ruling it out, or anything for that matter, but we should consider it could be something else.
If you look at the verse that line is disconnected from the 2 instructions that we suspect involves trees. Because he makes the comment “you’ll see a letter from the country of wonderstones hearth,” This seems to signify something a little more than “here’s a young birch” and “pass 3 more of them.” Also BP was a knowledgeable person, I have some doubts as to weather he would put the actual casque next to a tree, unless there was another significant structure there. He would have seen the erosion problem, it was actually worse in 1981. I think there are still more options for our “fifth” besides a tree (no pun intended).
I now know that BP at least had a general understanding of trees, so I believe an old photo will show a birch tree at the end of the north ravine. I also have expectations that we may uncover 3 more birch trees giving us a direction of travel. Depending on which way (north or south) we are directed to go from the ravine will give us more insight to what the “fifth” might be. It could be a tree, but I feel it could be a little more than that.
Also, I would debate (on a separate issue) that BP did scout out all of these locations and I think he used ariel maps based on some of the clues in the image. He must have taken the time to visit downtown where city hall is and to learn about Downer, Shepherd, and Hackett for the verse…he didn’t google any of this stuff, so I would guess he did some research. Also I don’t think he would just go hiking with a casque a polaroid and a shovel looking for a good spot, he would have the spot already picked out and would probably drive there and park somewhat near the burial site.
Please lets open this up for debate though, that is how we learn and advance!

What about proximity to college campus’ ?

Actually getting off topic with this…interesting and valid conversation, but I think it’s for a different thread.
I have it on good authority from someone close to BP that he did have some knowledge of trees, and I believe he would have known a birch tree from any other in the woods. There was some question as to weather he knew his trees or not, I would say he did. We are defiantly looking for a photo from the 80’s with a birch tree at the end of the north ravine. We could also hope to find 2 or 3 in a line either to the north or south of the ravine, telling us where to go. I doubt that the “proud tall fifth” is a tree, but for now we need to verify the birch at the end of the north ravine.
Those who follow the Lake Park solution, are we all in agreement that the verse is pretty clear from the top of the staircase to the bottom of the north ravine?
After climbing the grand 200
Pass the compass and reach
The foot of the culvert
Below the bridge
Walk 100 paces
Southeast over rock and soil
To the first young birch
I think the beginning of the verse could be figured out, but it’s not crucial to solving it.
Thoughts?

1852 was the year of founding for both Wells Fargo and the the Layton and Plankington Packing Co.

In the interest of getting some discussion going, I am going to post a few things that have been rattling in my brain. This is not to say I know any more than any of you, or have inside information, but the more people looking at this the better I think. I will be the first one to say that some of these ideas are a stretch, but if it sparks an idea in someone’s head.. excellent. So here it goes. Oh and before I start… another Facebook page has been started by a very nice young lady that is very interested in this as well and she has some good pics on there. Here is that link :
https://www.facebook.com/groups/923079167758839/
First and foremost, I always try to put myself in the other guys shoes. In this case Preiss and Palencar. They didn’t have the wonderful access to technology like we have today. So historical places, parks, fixtures, historical records and pictures, and aerial maps would be the only thing to go on. So I paid extra attention to each one of these. The Chicago and Cleveland treasures had the picture of where this thing was and while it’s not as nice as the others, Milwaukee’s is in there. So I am going to post a few things just to create some discussion.
First off the neck.
Going off the theory that Palencar and Preiss were looking at aerial views of things, this always seemed like the biggest hint. So I went looking. I came up with a few things here.
In earth view (not included sorry) this rounds off more because of the bushes that surround the fountain. When zoomed out, it somewhat resembles her neckline and around in the golden part of the inside of her hood. Here is that picture for reference.
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Here is the park fountain to kind of demonstrate the cane shape at the end.
https://savral.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/img_8231.jpg
This is also next to the fountain.
https://savral.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/img_8228.jpg
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Across the street from this is the North Point Water Tower. Fun fact : The top of it is “cast in copper”. Also has this on the side of it.
https://savral.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/img_8226.jpg
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So why do I think any of this? To the north east of this spot is a huge staircase. This from what I can tell has 91 steps if I did it correctly. But that’s really all that fits. The copper top, the side brick.. I might be stretching but I am just bringing this stuff up to just shed light on stuff that might not have been seen or thought about or whatever.
Been staring at these maps for a long time as well. In regards to the neck, I suppose the spot between the two lions bridges kinda looks like it. Here they are : First 1980 (top view) Second : 2013 (Angle View)
I also put these pictures up, especially the first picture from 1980 because of the jutting out into the water. Palencar put stuff in his pictures for a reason. I always had a feeling the spot missing in her cape was this spot as well. This also again confirms the LP area. I guess I just don’t think that spot missing is nothing.
These are just some of my random thoughts.. want more of my craziness you can find me at the places below.
https://instagram.com/savral/
https://www.facebook.com/Savral
https://twitter.com/savral
https://www.flickr.com/photos/savral
My personal website
http://sonofstallis.com/
You can tell me what you think. I might be crazy, but I will continue looking for this thing until either I find it or someone else does.
Edit : Removed some of the pictures and just left the links intact. Lot of my pictures come up way too big. Sorry about that.

MrSeabass

It’s buried in Pere Marquette Park. End of discussion.

Would you care to elaborate some? Thoughts? Reasoning? How it fits with the verse?

Unknown

Unknown:
What’s your current thinking on this bridge and these lines Savral?

Unknown

Unknown:
Starting from under each of these bridges, where exactly does 100 paces southeast get you?

erexere

Savral, the Wells Fargo connection is certainly dismissible. I’m uncertain if the idea has any utility yet. Thats really the trick AFAIC. There are several reasons I’ve become interested in the idea.
1. The first line may contain a double meaning. A synonym for the word “stories” is “accounts”. A bank is something which has accounts or also found along a river, suggested by lines about a culvert and bridge. Wells Fargo is a bank.
2. Wells street could implicate a deeper connection for some specific reason. I liked the HG Wells idea because it drew from a populqr literary reference and might laterally compare dwarves to Morlocks, both associated with hidden tunnels. Milwauk-KEY and Mor-LOCK seems momentarily interesting, but the utility of the Time Machine isnt apparent to me. I’ve tried to see the juggling of balls as a metaphor for jumping around from point to point on a map. Hidden tunnels and portals might be a thematic design characteristic to the puzzle.
3. “At a distance”, being repeated in two lines may lend special significance to a connection like “Prospect” as a street name connection or “Go far” as a “Fargo” connection.
4. Wells Fargo was also known for over land transportation of letters and parcels and might be in part the inspiration for the line preceeding the wonderstone’s hearth.
The process of making these associations may only go as deep as 1. Consider the name Wells, 2. Consider a bank named Wells Fargo, 3. Consider going far from some point of origin. When we consider the Cleveland or Chicago puzzles, its already a given that some visual elements are over a mile or two distance away, i.e. Terminal Tower/Historic Water Tower. Its probably a good argument that the casque in Milwaukee is also to be found at least 2 or even 3 miles away from the City Hall building.

I didn’t even address your questions WhiteRabbit and Erexre, my apologies.
Since these two are tied together let me answer them as one. To be totally honest, I never understood why Preiss would have us go up the stairs just to walk a bit and then go back down to the street we were originally at. I by no means disregarded them, and in fact did the paces from them. What makes this even more convoluted is what a pace is. Some people believe it’s one step to the next, while others believe it’s your first foot reaches the second spot and then it begins again. At 100 paces using the second definition, you are on the other side of LMD (Lincoln Memorial Drive) right before the beach. Using the first definition, you’re halfway between the underneath of the bridge and the first sidewalk on LMD.
Of course the next main obstacle is trying to locate any kind of birch tree. I have been to the historical society, library and all kinds of stuff to try to locate old photos from that whole area, but I have only seen a few with Birch trees that stick out like sore thumbs. As for the girlscouts markers.. did we get a definite find that those were there in 81? I have seen a few around but I know they have been pulled out of a lot of them.
Also nice find with the Fairy Tale. Glad you put it up. Don’t think it has anything to do with the secret, but I totally welcome some new stuff that might awaken a light bulb.
I mean.. you make a good argument and who am I to say you’re not correct, Heck, I still have a strong feeling the 3 stories of Mitchell is the domes and there is a lot of stairs that go down to another street below to the west, but the amount of vagabonds under the bridge and what not make it somewhat unsafe to just go alone. Shame the winter is coming and this will soon have to wait another year.

Last thing.. I decided to draw it out last night because I had some extra time. A little rough, but bear with me. Little sleep but this has always looked pretty close to me. I’m a bit tired and I’m throwing yet another idea out there, but hey.. we are all trying to figure something out.

It’s now been years since I first posted this pic comparing the shoulder and neck area to a map visual. At first it was arbritrary, since I had no understanding of how a person could get from point A (Mitchell Hall/Wisconsin Club/City Hall, take your pick) to point B (Kosciuszko Park along Lincon Ave.) It’s more concievable to me now when I take an actual compass and walk it across a map in a direction that is consistent with using the value 200 as a direction in degrees. It’s hard to accept, as it doesn’t compare to the “simplicity” of methods used in Chicago and Cleveland. Oh well…maybe it’s just meant to be a representation of German engineering…
Anyway, I still like this pic, I haven’t rotated it in the image, since it looks easy enouth to pick out how the curved line of the park path fits if you rotate 180 degrees, similarly to how the Centaur’s tail was rotated to fit the curved road around the Gardens in Cleveland image,

Are there any constellations that we could attribute to a woman playing a harp?

Also here is an interesting article on City Hall. Apparently there is a spiral staircase that leads you up to the bell tower and observation deck.
http://onmilwaukee.com/buzz/articles/ci … ?viewall=1
and here is the bell at the top and some interesting photo’s shot from up there.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wrokic/4881694661/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wrokic/48 … otostream/
This would be the view east…prominent in the view would have been the fountain at Cathedral Sq. Park where the stage is setup, and St. John’s cathedral. I don’t know if this means anything or how many steps are in that spiral staircase to the bell tower, but I just wanted to post what I find.

Frisco,
If you look closely at a clear image of the tree trunks, you can see that the center trunk
is not really curved over like a pipe, but has a separate rounded top edge.
AP

Unknown

Unknown:
The verse kinda gives you a path from that place to the nearby objects referenced earlier, but taking it as a literal interpretation, a person would meander quite a bit.

And despite this, you favor this solution over one where a literal interpretation of the Verse gives you a direct and logical route from Point A to Point T? With confirming evidence at almost every decision point along the way? I’m sorry, but I’ll take that over ‘kinda” if you don’t mind. Besides, your premise that the presence of City Hall in the Image is indicative of a starting point for walking is flawed, if not demonstrably false, as we have seen time and time again.
In Chicago, the treasure was found almost a mile and a half from the Water Tower, another Iconic Building that as it turns out, has almost nothing to do with the treasure site. And by the time you get to the first clue in the associated Verse, you have already walked over a mile, with nothing to confirm that you are on the right path. The Cleveland Image has the unmistakable silhouette of the Terminal Tower, and yet we know for a fact that the treasure was found almost 4 miles away (as the crow flies), again with nothing in the Verse to get you from one to the other. And in Roanoke, the starting point called out in the Verse is almost 16 miles from the presumptive treasure ground, which for any but the hardiest of souls, we can agree is too far to walk. And so on throughout the puzzle as a whole. In short, to assume that the Iconic Building (whether called out in the Image or Verse) is in any way proximate to the Treasure Ground is to ignore a significant amount of evidence that would indicate that the opposite may in fact be the case.

Still looks like a candy cane to me, AP. :p

Glossiphoniidae

…
From woman, with harpsichord (Where you see the Grand Olde Lady Building with a harp)
I’ll let you take it from there.

I cannot understand how a clue about an antique piano has anything to do with lyre-shaped lamps or an upright stringed instrument without a keyboard. I’ve quit following every theory with any mention of harps.
I do think that the comma must be important to the clue. We might not be looking for a woman AT a harpsichord, but perhaps we branch from a location tied to that woman and then procede by using a harpsichord clue in some way.

The voice of logic …
So good to hear from you, Catherwood

Savral and Lady Poverty, welcome. Savral, I don’t follow your process at all, at least not to the point where I share any excitement for digging yet. I’m not saying you’re crazy either. I’m glad you’re getting down to business tho and looking at the big picture as things wouldve existed back in 1980.
So, those three trees in a row, are they consistent with the description of arriving at the first and passing three more on the west side? What is your proud tall fifth?
How do you think about the woman with harpsichord?

I am working with some city park officials to get this done the legal way so no worries. I appreciate the heads up on the fine for digging. I was not trying to bug JPP but maybe just urge him to put whatever he has in a lock box or basically something that could be found when he eventually passes away. Maybe he will, maybe he wont. With that being said, let me put up a few things and kinda put you where my head was at for this other spot. I love the Lake Park idea but I moved my attention to Pere Marquette park which is where I saw a few things.
While the Lake Park birch trees appear to be gone or cut down, Pere Marquette has 3 right in a row.
Also the Harp Lamp (which after digging into further, Milwaukee is the ONLY place that has these)
While this might be a stretch, the Milwaukee County Historical Society railings that are very visible from outside look very close to the collar image.
Lastly, and this is where I am looking at it different… The Letter of the World. The Journal sentinel company is across the street from the park. A major newspaper .. letter to the world. Furthermore, the outside which is still original has the color of Wonderstone.
There is one other thing in this park that really strikes my eye, but until I can get the proper approval, I am going to hold off on it. Call me crazy, but I am trying to look at this from a different angle. Basically, the picture and verses (a part of them at least) is just to identify the city. I think the main thing in all the pictures is obviously the clue to where it’s buried somewhere within the picture. In this instance it’s the cap which I think we can all agree on is the main clue to when you find the spot.
Like I said earlier… I could be way off. A lot of good people put in a lot of time. I 100% respect and appreciate all their work they did. With that being said, I am here in Milwaukee and have a general interest in finding this. I am not a fan of how much government interferes with everything, but I understand the necessity in it. However after being told if I ever did find anything it wouldn’t matter because “It’s on city property so anything found on it belongs to the city.” is bullshit to me. I guess I honestly fear that many attempts and good searches and hard work will be put into figuring all of these out, just to be stonewalled by some asshole behind a desk. I know they dont want digging all over and it could be dangerous, but with diggers hotline, the internet, and a few quick looks at the area.. I feel it should be approved or not approved pretty quickly.
One last thing before I shut up here. When BP buried these… did he get approval? Did he have to pull permits? Run this past anyone to make sure he wasn’t fined or hit any kind of line? I’m guessing not, which is why the spirit of the game is being trashed in my opinion over time.
Anyways.. would love to hear what you guys think.
Edit : looks like for whatever reason the first picture of the birch trees was cut off. I have the full picture if someone is interested in looking at it or just go directly to the link off my website.

Yeah, I’m unable to see all the birches. I started a public Facebook page titled MKE Hunt. I have a picture of the birches there since I seem to be inept at posting them here.
Here is the link/ hope it works.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … =1&theater
Edited to add:
I also went ahead and posted all the photos I referenced in my earlier posts. Feel free to join the group if you’d like. Or not if you prefer to remain anonymous.

Hi Everyone,
Sorry for the whiny tone at the close of my last post. I’d submitted a few comments on the threads and none were being approved. For whatever reason I thought perhaps the community wasn’t keen on newcomers. After pestering another user and finally tracking down a mod via 12 here I am. I’d also like to say that I hear you guys about the importance of getting the correct permissions regarding a dig. I’d never just go around all willy nilly with a shovel. Not that I’m close to a solve anyways….
With that said, I live in Milwaukee. In the past I’d heard about The Secret but my interest was piqued when I saw/ heard at how close to a solution you all are and it all seems far less hopeless with the magic of the interwebs. I’ve read the majority of the Image 10/ Verse 8 posts. So much amazing work and information here. Just amazing guys.
I have free time on my hands these days and took a walk around Lake Park and Pere Marquette. Knowing the focus is on Lake Park I did snap some photos while I was there. I am sure a lot of this is old news but I figured that it can’t hurt and sometimes it takes fresh eyes… maybe someone’ll have an A-ha moment.
I also went to the Milwaukee Public Library and found a few things. I am pretty sure that Decibel also mentioned checking out the humanities room but I am not sure what he found, I may have missed his/her post. Found some old images of Lake Park. Their logs, as far as dates are concerned, are categorized as pre and post 1960. There were only three images from post 1960 and they did not have more specific dates than that. I took pictures of all of them (I don’t think I was supposed to but I also wasn’t told not to). I will try attaching all of these however this commenting system is antiquated to me and I don’t know how to code so all images will likely end up in a pile at the bottom ( AT THE FOOT OF THE CULVERT GUYS).
Regarding the Pre 1960 shots, I found some of the ravine but they were likely from the early 1900’s in the form of the old school postcards. I also spotted a few birches.
I was able to find a little booklet put together by Friends of Lake Park on trees of Lake Park. It isn’t very long but it does map out the park and identifies a few “champion” trees. Maybe this has all been seen already so I apologize if this comment is a bit of an echo chamber of previous posts. I thought it was an interesting find. It has an index with illustrations of the described trees. I was able to actually borrow this book because it was a part of the lending library. Everything else was in the reference rooms and not able to be checked out.
It is saying the board attachment quota has been reached…. wth?
I also found a cool city issued architectural plan for the riverwalk from 1980. It has what existed in 1980, three proposed plans and the final, blueprints if you will, of what is there now. Again, I get that everyone is fond of Lake Park but I know the laureate is across from Pere Marquette and I feel it is worth looking into further. Maybe something was there before the construction that we can link from this book. This was found in the reference room so I don’t have it on me but did snap a pic of the cover and can go back. I did not have the time to go through it beyond a quick skim. If I can figure out how to post pics here I will post everything.
I was thinking of going to Lake Park and making a video so that everyone can see the ravines/trees/ bridges up close. Perhaps this has been done already as well. Let me know if anyone would be interested in such a thing.
Glad to be here.
LP

Savral,
Good find on the pattern! I was just there on Monday looking around. What I noticed was the trees that line the sidewalk with the copper? or iron? grates over them. Cast in copper/ step on nature. Also, there is a sign in that park that I have a photo of with the date 1892 on it and my mind wandered to the 92 steps line. Although there are no steps as in stairs and then I thought maybe steps was meant as in strides but it does say ascend. hmmmm. Then I started thinking about the compass etc and got a bit discouraged. Although i did not look at the sides of the buildings closely either. I agree that a lot of the verse could just be to place one in Mke and the visual clues are for finding the treasure perhaps. I saw those birches too… all lined up perfectly. I wandered into the historical society for a bit too, they have lots of records of parks but I had already been downtown for hours at that point so i didn’t look into it further.

Hey Lady Poverty, welcome.
I tried to edit my original post but for some reason I can’t find a way to do it. Here are the pictures again but this time resized.
To answer your question Erexere. I believe the Harp reference is for Milwaukee’s unique Harp Lamps. Here is some links to explain it.
http://www.retrocom.com/retromilw/harp.htm
http://landmarkhunter.com/197946-harp-luminai341e/

I think somewhere buried in these threads there was reference made to the harp lights. I noticed them in Lake Park too. They have Gs on the bottom of them too (in lake park but not Pere). I have a close up that I’ll post to the Facebook I made. Mke Hunt.

Savral

I tried to edit my original post but for some reason I can’t find a way to do it. Here are the pictures again but this time resized.
https://savral.files.wordpress.com/2015 … _80941.jpg
https://savral.files.wordpress.com/2015 … _80951.jpg
https://savral.files.wordpress.com/2015 … _80971.jpg
https://savral.files.wordpress.com/2015 … _80991.jpg

Friendly advice: Just give the LINKS to your images. Do not embed them here. Whatever the size, it takes time to load from an external website (and might exceed someone’s bandwidth limits, especially when viewed on a MOBILE device). These lock up my computer, and I hit the STOP button to just read the text. (I can click on a link for myself when I want to view any images.)

Savral, again, great job on spotting the pattern! I was hanging out for like 45 minutes and didn’t catch it. I am never sure what is new around here because so many of the links are broken from years ago.

Here is an image of a smaller bell I saw during my little tour. This made me think of the small bell shape in mystery lady’s right hand. Much smaller than the huge bell that sits in City Hall. This is on Kilbourn just as you go over the bridge heading west before you arrive at Pere Marquette on your right.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0418217 … 312!8i6656
I just found this looking around on Google Earth. Check out the pattern of the rails on the bridge. This is along State St looking South? on the East bank of the Riverwalk… the laureate is just behind it.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0430677 … 312!8i6656
Edited to add:
Another small bell
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0429369 … 312!8i6656

Unknown

Unknown:
In 1891 three Milwaukee businessmen, General F. C. Winkler, George Koeppen and Henry Gugler, held several meetings with sixty other men at the old Plankinton House Hotel to organize the founding of a new social club. The purpose of the club was to promote and provide a venue for German-American understanding and fellowship, a reflection of the large German immigration to Milwaukee at the end of the nineteenth century.
The first home of the new club, called the ‘Deutscher’ or ‘German’ Club, was in the Old Opera House near the site of the present Pabst Theatre. In early 1894 a fire broke out and severely damaged the clubrooms. A new home had to be found.
Several alternatives were considered including disbanding the club which was in a poor financial state. When the vacant Mitchell Mansion on Grand Avenue (now Wisconsin Avenue) was brought to the attention of club members, shortly after the death of Alexander Mitchell, all thoughts of dissolution vanished. An offer of over $100,000 was made and accepted. The Deutscher Club moved into its new quarters in early 1895 and began to settle in for a long stay.
On May 1, 1895 the Club held their opening night party in the Mitchell home with over 450 attendees; this without any of the new rooms which were eventually added by the Club.

Das Boot Theory
continued 2/2
Verse line 1, I prefer the Mitchell connection of the Alexander Mitchell House (Wisconsin Club) at 900 Grand Ave. (now W. Wisconsin Ave). From this I presume we’re either on a path fixed to one of four streets: 9th or 10th street, Wisconsin Ave. or W. Wells St. assuming you’re viewing it’s 3 stories from any one of the bordering streets.
Verse line 2, if my WWII theory is correct, confirms that we’re on W. Wells. as we view it. This doesn’t yet give us any specific direction to walk, and so we might asume having walked all around the Mitchell House before connecting to our next clue.
Verse line 3 and 5 stress the importance of some measure of distance dealing with the unit of time and space. I’ve jumped to the idea of using the Imperial Units Standards based on the word ‘Imperial’ being used in the reference to Germany in the Litany of the Jewels. Since we see the word ‘three’ being used three times in the verse, I’ve considered these lines about time and space have to do with the 3 miles walked in 1 hour unit of distance known as an Imperial League. This suggests to me that point of interest A and point of interest B might be one league apart or having to do with a “league” in another sense, like a team sport. One way to examine this might be to take a draft compass, set the center to the Mitchell House and draw a 3 mile radius arc on the city map and then see what might be interesting. 3 miles exactly south from the Wells St. side of the Mitchell House takes us to Modrzejewski Park. 3 miles northeast takes you to a spot in Lake Park just off of E. Belleview Place or about 1000 feet southwest of North Point Lighthouse.
Verse line 4 may be a good reference to the founders of the “Deutscher” German Club that took up residence in the vacated Mitchell House,
The pattern on the woman’s collar in the image matches the doors to the Pabst Theater very well. This may be considered a strong connection to the Deutscher Club.
Verse line 6 is simply phenomenal. I’m currently holding onto the wild idea that it has to do with chambermaids.
Verse line 7 in connection with a chambermaid has me thinking of the vacuum cleaner. This is such a fresh thought, that its probably wrong, but for the moment I like the previous use of the word ‘space’, combined with ‘silently’ makes me think of the “sound doesn’t travel in a vacuum” idea. Jumping to the different sense of the word and a maid servant really appeals to me.

Unknown

Unknown:
Here is something i haven’t liked about the grand staircase: It’s very obvious, and theoretically allows anyone to pick up the hunt in the middle, or shoot, toward the end.

True, but only to a point. It’s not enough to find the 92 steps, although that’s a great start. Before one can be fully convinced that these are the correct steps, (s)he needs to be convinced that the 9 lines that precede “ascend the 92 steps” lead clearly and unambiguously to the bottom of that staircase. Since I absolutely believe this to be the case (with only minor hiccups that I am willing to discount to “poetic license on Preiss’ part), I’m willing to continue my search from this point with confidence. Of course, I am assuming a clear, linear path, but in the case of Verse 8, I think that is what we are dealing with.
For the record, I don’t think for one minute that Preiss walked this exact route with a shovel and a backpack, looking for a place to dig a hole. He probably scouted the location and the surrounding area first, then later drove and parked on LMD. Walking the park a second time, he took pictures and notes, and finding himself back on LMD (but from a different direction), decided he had too much invested in the area to not bury the casque there. Near the soccer field was just the most convenient place (although as we are finding out, a killer in terms of long term viability of some of the clues). Pure speculation on my part, but consistent with me trying to put myself in his boots in an effort to understand the methodology a little bit more.

Here is why I don’t think it is in the woods…or in an area behind the woodline. This could be totally wrong, but I am just using common sense. BP had a shovel and a box to bury (as far as we know). If you’ve done any digging or landscaping, you know that any wooded area is bound to have large root systems all over the place. BP didn’t fly around with an axe and I doubt he bought one in every city and left it… To get in and out, and have dug a 3′ hole, buried something and covered it back up…he wouldn’t want to mess around with roots or anything that would cause a delay in getting it done. Not to say he didn’t clear the burial sites ahead of time…maybe testing the locations to see if they were good for someone to dig a hole in without too much notice, I’m not ruling it out…but I don’t think he did.
Chicago was not in the woods, trees were planted after he was there and we were told the 10 by 13 was a foot measurement.
Cleveland wasn’t in the woods, although it was in a planter box in an area near woods.
If the Houston and St. Augustine theories are correct they wouldn’t be in a woods either.
The reverse of this is that Milwaukee is one of the few images that has any kind of architectural representation in it…no stone pillars, buildings (city hall is just a city indicator,) hardly any designs that can clearly be matched to anything in architecture like the fence post in Chi or Siskel and Eg’s wall. It has visual clues starring you right in the face…but the image on the cape…what many consider 1 of the 2 big indicators….not a wall, or fence, or anything apparently man made…no…a tree of some sort. It’s been discussed that the bumps on the trees could represent the 4 tree’s you need to find the “proud tall 5th.” The straight one in the center has 1 small bump, the one to the left of center 2 bumps, right of center 3 bumps, and the 4th one seems to have many bumps at least 4. Are these the pass 3…ridiculous!
I don’t want this to be buried in the forest or near the woodline, but based on the picture, all the visuals I have come across, and the lack of any kind of visual indicator for something other than trees…I feel this one may be real close to a wood line or near a tree. I have to accept there is a more than fair chance that it could be near a tree…unfortunately. If there were any more obvious indications of visual clues other than trees I would be skeptical, but with as much tree stuff as I see in the image…SIGH…it could be near a tree.

Montreal’s verse specifically calls out the forest, it’s likely buried in a more wooded area. Though it also gives you a direct landmark to look for (stone closet). It also uses paces as a count off, which I just don’t like at all. Not that I disagree with “paces” being literal paces taken by an adult human, but just because as was shown in CLE you can be so close and still completely miss the casque. Paces seems really arbitrary when a foot in either direction matters a ton.

To the doubters (photos courtesy stercox), once again, from the top:
Bonus:

Unknown

Unknown:
Here is something i haven’t liked about the grand staircase: It’s very obvious, and theoretically allows anyone to pick up the hunt in the middle, or shoot, toward the end.

Well, thanks Forest, that seems pretty conclusive…though I doubt Erexere will have any of it…
I wouldn’t get too hung up on the idea of the Grand Staircase being too obvious and in the middle. There need to be
some
intelligible clues FFS, and burying them under more obscure references seems as good a way of sowing confusion as any.

Thanks. Now I see how you have tailored the count to exclude those 3 steps that aren’t used to climb to the top, and dismiss the 4 steps on the approach to the first landing.
Its a great candidate, but WRabbit is right, Im not convinced.
The Plankington Arcade is all together 92 steps, no more, no less, so its also a candidate. Something more that I’m examining is the possibility of using the last entry in the Abroad in America book to justify Byrons fascination with H.G. Wells. Remember the cool rotating disk on the back of the Time Machine in the film? Take a moment and look at the Plankington Arcade Wishing Well center and statue surrounded by circle of stairs. It looks quite similar to me. It is something you “cast in copper” pennies into for making a wish.
My point is start at W W_ll_(900 W.Wells) and walk south 1 block to 900 Grand Ave. (Deutscher Club/Mitchell House), walk 7 blocks (seven juggled objects?) east to 200 Grand Grand Ave., toss a penny, make a wish and be transported through time and space to the casque’s location. Watch out for Morlocks…

Here’s the thing with the “7 juggled objects” thing – we have no way of ever knowing if that’s right. So far we have 2 puzzles solved with more or less straightforward clues. There are directions and Polaroids snapped along the way to confirm that you’re following the correct path.
SO FAR there isn’t an instance of having to use the image to interpret a clue, they just confirm you’re on the right path, or offer their own clues (map of OH for example). How would one know to do that, and how could one
ever
know that they’re right? I think that every step you take can be confirmed visually in the image, and as such I think taking 7 anything because their are 7 objects is folly.

Agreed. Folly. We are dealing with the Dwarven puzzle…depths unknown.

Xieish

Here’s the thing with the “7 juggled objects” thing – we have no way of ever knowing if that’s right. So far we have 2 puzzles solved with more or less straightforward clues. There are directions and Polaroids snapped along the way to confirm that you’re following the correct path.
SO FAR there isn’t an instance of having to use the image to interpret a clue, they just confirm you’re on the right path, or offer their own clues (map of OH for example). How would one know to do that, and how could one
ever
know that they’re right? I think that every step you take can be confirmed visually in the image, and as such I think taking 7 anything because their are 7 objects is folly.

Let me understand….you are saying that every line of the verse should have an image confirmation or???

Unknown

Unknown:
To the doubters (photos courtesy stercox), once again, from the top:

Not me. Of all the slam dunks in this puzzle, and there aren’t that many, this is one of the slam dunkiest. Ironically, it is immediately followed by the most obscure (at least to me) clue.

Kozy park is not the greatest neighborhood. If I happen to be travelling by there I will get some shots for you, but I just feel that it’s the wrong location for so many reasons that if I am going to work on this, I’d rather spend the time in a location that fits all the clues in the verse.
Erexere, not to discourage you, cause it looks like you’re having a lot of fun and coming up with interesting parallels…but even I have a hard time following some of your streams of consciousness. I don’t think Milwaukee is any different than Cleveland or Chicago…the verse should take you right to the treasure grounds without having to use too much creative license. If there was a clear case for Kozy Park, I’d be with you 100%…there is just too much lacking for that location, and everything is represented in Lake Park…very hard to throw a location that has everything to make the verse work right in it. Just because there was 1 dig at a suspected area that came up blank, doesn’t mean that the treasure isn’t there. TenByThirteen said they dug like 6 or 7 holes before finding the Chicago casque. Even after BP confirmed they were in the right spot, they dug 3 holes and found nothing. Then he sent them a photo of the burial spot, and they dug, and were about to give up and Rob or someone threw the shovel in disgust and when they did some dirt fell off a side wall in the hole exposing the casque.
Maybe the first dig was in the wrong area, but why rule out a place that seems to fit everything in the verse better than any other place in the city does.
Like I said, I sometimes go through that area…if it’s daylight out, I will get you pictures next time I do.

Thanks!
I completely understand.

decibalnyc

TenByThirteen said they dug like 6 or 7 holes before finding the Chicago casque. Even after BP confirmed they were in the right spot, they dug 3 holes and found nothing.

Well, exactly. And in the Cleveland hunt they started at the wrong end of the flower bed and dug for five hours before they ended up in the right place. But BP and JJP obviously didn’t mean for you to bring a bulldozer and start tearing up these public parks. They wanted you to use a different and very precise system to find the spot for digging.
The visual references and the clues in the text will get you to the right general area, but once you’re there you’ll still need to do the geometry. (Or bring a backhoe.)

Unknown

Unknown:
The visual references and the clues in the text will get you to the right general area, but once you’re there you’ll still need to do the geometry

I’m not sure I agree with this. In Cleveland, the verse told them exactly where to dig, based on the placement of certain stones in the wall. The problem was that “right to left” should have been “left to right”. The geometry is nice, but they had everything they needed to dig up the casque without it. And in the case of Chicago, if the geometry was so important to the final dig location, don’t you think Priess would have told them that they were on the right track, but missing something that would confirm the precise spot, instead of just sending them the picture? Especially given his reticence with the good people here for the same type of help when time and renovation had significantly altered the visual clues, and his help would have been truly appreciated? And in Milwaukee, the verse is clear: dig at the southern foot of a tall tree with a letter on it. But the tree is gone, and with it, the precise location of the casque, geometry notwithstanding.
The geometry is nice, and in some form that I am still noodling with, points to something that you should be able to see clearly when standing on the treasure ground, or would have seen in 1982. But I don’t think that it points the precise location of the casque.

When Erexere said Milwaukee was a special case, that’s defiantly correct. It has very little in the way of obvious clues. At least in Chicago and Cleveland, the clues are distinct…the wall, the fence post, the fountain, the bowman, all we have is a mish mash of dark trees, dark outlines, and the objects in the rebus code. The pattern from the Pabst Theater, that’s difficult, it’s only on 1 place on 1 outside door, so if you’ve never been in there you wouldn’t recognize it. Even City Hall is all dark and blurred out. The dark images all over the cape and gown…I mean c’mon…is it a horse hoof, is it a tree, is it a topo map…it’s insane, is it a bell, a shoreline, a road…is that the lighthouse between the 4 trunk tree, is it a lamp, is it a tree….
Out of all the images I have found that this one makes my brain hurt the most.

Euhirudinea

I’m not sure I agree with this. In Cleveland, the verse told them exactly where to dig, based on the placement of certain stones in the wall. The problem was that “right to left” should have been “left to right”.

Can you see the contradiction in what you just wrote? You’re saying that the verse gives the exact location and the only problem is that the verse is wrong. That’s a problem all right.
I salute Egbert for his persistence, but I don’t think many of us could get away with digging for five hours or over that broad an area in the other casque locations. BP needed a precise way of pinpointing the exact spot so searchers would dig only a single hole. He gave his readers multiple pathways to get to the general area, but then he used a set of geometry problems to put people in the exact spot.
Did you look at that line I posted in the thread for Image 4? It doesn’t just go to the general area. It doesn’t just go close. It goes over the
exact spot
. (A line from the hand through the jewel, by the way, goes wide by about 15 feet.) Of course, a straight line contains an infinite number of points. One needs an intersecting line to define a single point. Hmm….
How goes the Milwaukee search, by the way?

Oregonian

I salute Egbert for his persistence, but I don’t think many of us could get away with digging for five hours or over that broad an area in the other casque locations.
How goes the Milwaukee search, by the way?

Forest, Pine, and several others dug for 5+ hours around the base of a tree in Milwaukee in 2006 uncovering a yard and a half of dirt.
The Milwaukee search is good, have a few new locations, a mock up of the casque and box on the way, and all of next week to work…steady as she goes.

Unknown

Unknown:
Can you see the contradiction in what you just wrote? You’re saying that the verse gives the exact location and the only problem is that the verse is wrong. That’s a problem all right.

But the verse does gives us an exact location to dig:
In a rectangular plot
Beneath the tenth stone
From right to left
Beneath the ninth row from the top
Of the wall including small bricks
Our line experiment suggests one as well. Problem is, they are on opposite sides of the planter. There are only four possibilities that reconcile both conditions:
1) The verse has a directional error in it. Change “right to left” to “left to right” and we are good to go. Everything fits together nicely.
2) The interpretation of the verse is wrong. Egbert was there, so perhaps he is the best person to ask if this was a possibility. But as written, it only works if you are counting stones as you face away from the wall. Kinda hard to do.
3) The interpretation of the line experiment is wrong. It suggests the planter, but it is not meant to suggest the exact spot in the planter.
4) The casque was buried on the left side, but shifted to the right side over the 20 years that it was in the ground, either naturally or during a remodel.
Since I’m not sold on the idea of the geometry leading to an exact dig spot, I’m leaning toward the first explanation as being the most likely. But I’m willing to be convinced if you can show how it works for Chicago and Milwaukee. I just can’t see how those images allow the same level of precision that you are touting in Cleveland.

To clarify, I don’t see any evidence that this “divider” or compass method is used in any other puzzle. I think its unique to Milwaukee for its focus on the dwarf themed jewel as something of a stereotypical view that the dwarfs are known for their masonry and engineering. I wonder if that’s how Gygax portrayed them in late 79 or 80.
This is why I think its really important to find a good reference match of city hall to position. Its exactly how someone would go about tailoring such a method to plot a course as the crow flies.
I have one request for anyone local to Milwaukee: please take a photo of the west side boot of the Kosciouszko monument. Lets compare the wrinkles above its ankle to the shape depicted in the cloak that is thought to be a multi-trunked tree.

Let’s talk about the hints from the Japanese translation for a minute. The “clue” regarding:
As you walk the beating of the world
seems to be explained that beating is similar to a drum, look in the dictionary and find a name near the word drum. (paraphrasing here)
Could this line be pointing us to two things? Downer would be an interesting take on the beating, Beat down or depressing. Is it possibly used to locate us at Kenwood and Downer, setting the direction from Mitchell Hall to Lake Park?

gManTexas

Let’s talk about the hints from the Japanese translation for a minute. The “clue” regarding:
As you walk the beating of the world
seems to be explained that beating is similar to a drum, look in the dictionary and find a name near the word drum. (paraphrasing here)
Could this line be pointing us to two things? Downer would be an interesting take on the beating, Beat down or depressing. Is it possibly used to locate us at Kenwood and Downer, setting the direction from Mitchell Hall to Lake Park?

Well, starting here, AP found something that she thinks reinforces the Kenwood theory, especially because of the ‘drum’ hint:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7258&start=315#p145517
(Kenwood Dennard…..prodigy drummer….also see subsequent posts from AP in the thread.)

Mister EZ

Well, starting here, AP found something that she thinks reinforces the Kenwood theory, especially because of the ‘drum’ hint:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7258&start=315#p145517
(Kenwood Dennard…..prodigy drummer….also see subsequent posts from AP in the thread.)

I saw that. Not a strong connection IMHO.

I agree.
About as strong as Kenwood Stereos, Kenwood Electric Mixers or Kenwood Drum Tables…which, still leads to the Grand Staircase (from the North), the same place that the podcast’s solution leads (from the South).

I think the 200 degrees is just a coincidence – just like the 130 degrees over Lincoln’s shoulder in Chicago was a coincidence (10 x 13). The wording of the verse “after climbing the grand 200” doesn’t quite jibe with 200 degrees after ascending the 92 steps.
As for the fact that you don’t see the lighthouse/compass from the top of the steps, I do not think you are necessarily supposed to see it. My guess is that BP described the lighthouse by calling it a compass (the Northpoint lighthouse), and that you are supposed to figure out that you must go past it by traveling south/southwest from the top of the stairs, even though you cannot see it. These clues are supposed to be somewhat difficult, so he wants you to at least look around and figure out that you must go in that direction in order to “pass” it. If he describes everything you can see as you walk the trail, it would be too easy.

a valiant effort but there is a glaring error that throws you way off…

anus905

a valiant effort but there is a glaring error that throws you way off…

It’s weird how anyone other than four21thrasher thinks they can get away with supremely weak trolling. It’s just weird to make the effort to put into writing an opinion which holds zero substance.
When you say there is a glaring error, you seem to have no understanding that this is a puzzle for which no solution manual presently exists. The only thing that is glaring is your ignorance. You, like anyyone else, is entitled to an opinion, but a basic principle or practice of intelligence would include some shred of comprehension or basis for what detail or supporting fact gives life to your opinion. Heck, nobody has any idea what you’re referring to in most cases.
The recent discussion here has included ideas about the meaning of wonderstone’s hearth. It’s fair to look at what kind of stone typically gets used in a fireplace. Makes sense. Whether that’s right or not for the purpose of this puzzle has yet to be determined. My opinion, alternatively, is that the puzzle has singled out a particularly interesting stone object, representing a particular country, and it’s something which conveys the spirit of warmth, welcome, leadership, or support. I could see this being an inscription on a memorial.

that clue is easy. the sad part is im not the only one to have solved it………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

forest_blight

It’s official – On Monday May 8, stercox, myself, and our respective treasure-hunting buddies will be digging in Lake Park in Milwaukee.

I think that’s a great day to dig!
Saturday, May 8, 2004 — Siskel and I dug up the Cleveland casque.

And its the Monday following the Kentucky Derby.

Well, I had to postpone my trip which looks like it worked out for the best.  Good luck you guys, I think it’s fitting that it turned into a group effort.  Don’t forget the great Milwaukee earthquake of 1990 moved around a lot of earth and may have broken up the casque.
(For me, the entire month is April Fool’s Day.)

erexere

The ornament hanging from the tree certainly resembles the basic structure for a Fort, which has been discussed, so I have to wonder what BP’s motives were when he put this together.

more importantly it is the exact shape of fort Sumter, in the charleston bay…

OMG, omg, omg…there’s so much going on in this thread it makes my head spin.
I just discovered this thread.  I’m having difficulty finding my way around because of the different notions about which verse pairs with which image.
If I cross post to both the threads for which I think an image and verse match, then I suppose it’s in the right place.
One of my omg’s was after going through about a hundred posts and seeing pics of folks with their tarps out and digging, man, people have been through a lot around here.
Anyways, this is verse 8 discussion and I am unclear on whether you’re pairing it with Image 10, 1, or 2.
Here’s why I think it is 2:  The Mitchell (verse) connection to Africanology (image), the wonderstone/hearth (verse) connection to a moth’s wing spots and attraction to a flame (image ..see moth winged lady).  A line may be drawn through these two points that points to Lake Park.

erexere — this just can’t be right. There is a map of Charleston on the mask’s forehead. That’s pretty definitive, even if it weren’t for the latitude / longitude.

I’m only three threads deep on this site.
Where’s the map to charleston thread?

found it, it’s all the Image 2 discussion, and yes, you’re right, it is a map of charleston and so I’m befuddled.  I thought the map portions looked passable for Africa/Madigascar…
At this point, since I’m having a number of difficulties grasping the depth here.  I certainly want to contribute, so it might be that my offerings go against what is widely accepted.  It’s a toughy.  If it helps for me to nod my head in agreement from time to time, I’ll do that too.  I really do like the Charleston possibilities.  The ornament hanging from the tree certainly resembles the basic structure for a Fort, which has been discussed, so I have to wonder what BP’s motives were when he put this together.  It’s difficult enough finding a needle in a haystack, but to put elements in that are red herrings would just be evil.
Please don’t hesitate to keep me informed of the consensus, it would help greatly.

erexere,
I’m sure it would help if you look over the Secret Wiki listed here:
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/22148559/FrontPage
Since the hunt started in 1982, there has been a lot of information gathered.
Not all of the combinations in the Wiki are correct or verified, but it helps
to get a feel for the hunt.  Maybe you could focus on the
one closest to you first…so you don’t get overwhelmed right away.
(That is so easy to do…
)
This is actually the online forum supporting the book
The Secret
.
There are so many online copies of the Images, and listings of the Verses,
that the book is probably not essential any more.
By now you have found out that the treasures originally given for finding the casques
in The Secret, are no longer part of the hunt.  The hunt’s creator died in 2005.
But the casques have taken on more importance, since they are now all that is left.
That being said, the greed and secrecy which usually accompany any treasure hunt,
are missing from this one. There is mostly a lot of sharing and camaraderie here.
Again, welcome to the clan!
AP
P.S. I am near Milwaukee, and am quite sure that the Verse 8 is paired with Image 10

Thanks for the help.  I can describe “the wall” in great detail already…
I have seen only one comment that works to explain the three stripes, a photo by forestblight showing “red white and blue”, but the picture I’m studying shows the second strip is yellow.  Which is it, white or yellow?

I actually found this symbol yesterday in matching street names to symbols. I was trying to get to Mason Street downtown and there is a Masonic temple by Cathedral Square.