stercox, your photographs are terrific! I’m surprised they tolerated you spray-painting all those steps
Good work spotting the collar designs. I still think the blob looks more like a 17-year locust than an archway, but nice thought.
Now I am worrying about the trees (someone has to). I thought birch bark was smooth and white. These trees’ bark is ropey and corded. And none of the birch leaves I found online are as squat as the ones you collected, nor do they have teeth quite as regular. Are you sure both the seeds and the leaves go with our trees? It looks more like cottonwood to me:
http://www.handsontheland.org/sitedata/panh/lgformat/pode_bark.jpg
http://www.gpnc.org/cottonwood.htm

Pictures are ready.  Hopefully this works.  Enjoy.
http://community.webshots.com/user/stercox

forest_blight

…I still think the blob looks more like a 17-year locust than an archway…

You could be right..if those trees are locust trees.  Locust trees do have those pods.

I was linking “locust” with Locust St., which terminates at Lake Park.

I would say we seem to have this one pretty much nailed down after looking at stercox’s pix.
I only have one little problem…….. I would say I was %100 sure of the solve’s location until one of the last few pix of the tall proud 5th.  During my virtual tour, I had always assumed the 5 trees were in the ravine…secluded w/in the interior of the park.  It bothers me a little bit that the tall proud 5th is right along the main street….hard to bury something there w/out being seen by passing motorists.  How busy is that street?
other than that….I would say DIG!  take along a metal prodding rod to push into the soil to see if you hit anything foreign.  If so, dig my friend…DIG and join Sir Egg ( and soon to be Sir House) w/ a casque find.
also, i wouldnt be too worried about the Birch question.  In doing a google image search, I hit many types of birch (all of which do not have smooth white bark)…ie…
http://www.isleoflismore.com/florafauna … -birch.jpg
and, your leaf looks almost exactly like this birch leaf…
http://www.british-trees.com/guide/imag … f_scan.jpg
Good luck..

The day before the big dig!!!  Are we getting excited yet???  May you have the best of luck!

Thanks Sandpiper! I’m pretty excited. We arrived in Chicago a couple of hours ago. I’ll take my computer and camera with us to Mill+Walk+Key tomorrow, and hopefully we will find an opportunity to post a picture or two to the forum as early as tomorrow afternoon.
Grant Park is also on the list. Still not convinced that
M and B
has been properly solved…

oh man, too much of a coincidence to blow off!
wilhouse

Cat..ah yes, I forgot about the CC or 200.  Thanks for the reminder, that does indeed make a lot of sense.
Designer..thanks for the update, I knew the images on the postcards were old but I didnt know the stadium was gone.
Sure enough
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=122453
E. Wells St.  It is a Grand old structure isnt it?  It also stood as the tallest building in Milwaukee for 78 years & was also added to the National Register of Historic Places.
also listed on the National Register of Historic Places:
our friends……
http://www.answers.com/topic/chicago-water-tower
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=121783
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/ca/ca40.htm
(P1?)
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/charleston/sum.htm
Seems so obvious & I’m not even sure if this was mentioned in the past (think it must have been but….).  Could this be a valid line to follow in our search?

I’ve always believed that the casque is buried just south of the Solomon Juneau statue given the image of Solomon on this side matches the woman in the pic. After reading your ideas about the first lines being used as a start and end I was a little skeptical but then remembered something I found earlier. From Wiki – “The property that is believed to have once been the site of Juneau’s residence is now the site of the Mitchell Building, listed on the National Register of Historic Places.”

That’s a potentially interesting site.  The road names around the area also might fit well.
Ever since reading Abroad in America, the last pages of which were about H.G. Wells, I’ve been thinking Wells street in Milwaukee might be a good place to bring in an H.G. Wells reference.  Those lines about space and time really invoked the sense of a Time Machine for me, but nothing concrete.  There was a book by J.L. Mitchell titled Three Go Back, which had an introduction by H.G. Wells.  There’s a nice tie in to “three stories of Mitchell”…a story about three who go back in time by Mitchell.
Hmm…must think on this some more.

The first line:  View the three stories of Mitchell
Initially it’s used to put us on Mitchell Hall and later where the casque is to be found, it plays a new role, looking for a “building” that represents a story somehow differently than having 3 floors might be a clever surprise and finding a connection again to Mitchell.  At this time, I don’t have any sure candidates, but I’m stating my first line theory just the same.
I really liked what I read in an article about a style of home called a “Polish Flat”.  I wonder if that figures into this.  Milwaukee has a good concentration of those iconic homes.  Mitchell Street has many three story Polish flat homes.

Unknown

Unknown:
If u guys have any info leading to the San Fransico verse solving I would greatly appreciate it…

The Image 1 thread is chock full of goodies:
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=770.0
, as is the wiki we’ve set up for
The Secret
:
http://thesecret.pbwiki.com/
.

Ive been working in the dark on this
and i am 100% positive we are near the right place, although i really want to focus on the San Fransico hunt, its practicly in my backyard lol.  If u guys have any info leading to the San Fransico verse solving I would greatly appreciate it, and i will keep working on the Mill-walk-key hunt

Does the word Meaux mean anything to anyone?  I’m still getting Image 2 vibes despite the Charleston theory.  Meaux Park is the site corresponding to an alignment of Grand Stair with Mitchell hall and the idea that the Moth Lady matches a river segment to the Northwest.  One of my deductions pointing back to Selby Abbey cuased me to draw a parallel to Meaux Abbey (no longer existing, just like Fort Bellingham).  I’m drawing some interesting conclusions from very simple parallels.  Everyone might agree Image 2 contains. Fort Sumpter shape…I propose that Preiss meant for us to be concerned with another Fort as well…Bellingham?  Did he have pairings in mind?

I’ve changed my mind about chimneys.
Of wonderstone’s hearth, in my breakdown is like saying “of fire and leaves” and it really makes me think of Ash, something which is the result of fire and is also the name of a thing of leaves, which is a tree.

Something strange happened…
I had a dream last night that a group of us were digging for the casque in Milwaukee. Not sure where exactly we were digging but we went about 10 feet deep! At 10 feet we found a piece of paper that just had verse 8 on it. We climbed out of the hole and Preiss was there. He said we had the wrong location and to look at the proud, tall fifth and pointed to Solomon Juneau. Then he said Sol is the fifth. That’s all I rermember.
Sol is the fifth note of scale and is also short for Solomon.
Wow.

Nice.

I was in Chicago today with several hours to kill, so I drove to Milwaukee (!). I parked across the street from Mitchell Hall on the UWM campus and followed the verse as best as I was able, but was unable to glean anything new. Once you “pass the compass” things get real ambiguous (even which direction one is supposed to pass it is unclear). Plus, Lake Park has changed a lot even in the few years since I was there last. I can only imagine how much it has changed since 1981-ish. At least I was able to refresh my on-the-ground knowledge of the place.
Sorry I didn’t give you any warning AP — it was a last-minute decision to visit. I’ll post a lot of photos in a few days.

The Greek restaurant was there before 2001 for at least 40 years.  Then it became a Mexican restaurant.  I can’t say when the columns and pattern were installed.
WhiteRabbit, your WWI = W. Winsconsin Ave and German Club looks liked the real deal.

Helipad is pretty recent, built in 2005.  Hospital has always been in place though.  Probably the H sign was there on a road sign of some sort.
I’m probably just imagining things.

I know well how “new” ideas don’t form themselves.  I’ve been reading lots of ideas from these boards and whether wrong, right, biased, impartial, strange or momentary like subatomic quarks, I can always use my imagination to put up something different.
Preiss started somewhere…he may have switched things up inexplicably or layered things in a way that disguises their original meaning, but surely some of these puzzles are connected by comminalities.  So far I’ve spotted Generals in the Mexican-American and Civil Wars, two fairly close in history as far as dates go.  Senators and Congress, founding Fathers and Pioneers seem like good resources too.  Its the stuff that doesn’t really change in our country’s setting.  The occasional exception occurs when a new freeway or building bleeps out a road segment…the MLK blvd in my area caused a lot of road changes and now we have Pioneer Parkway…  I’m baffled by the idea he would place casques at historic sites directly, so if one site seems more significant when pairing verse and image then we must be close.
Right now I’m looking at the south foot of the Koscuiszko statue in Milwaukee…can anyone seriously rule it out?  The park as a whole isn’t a historical landmark is it?  The grass around the base of the statue seems like fair game.  The biggest obstacle towards progress here seems to be attitudes on being seen walking around with a shovel may have changed since the early 80’s with vandalism and weirdness in general.

No mentions of this yet, so I’ll throw it into the mix now- was just watching a bunch of Silver Surfer cartoons on netflix and came across something about two characters named Eternity (distance in time) and Infinity (distance in space).  Any ideas how 1981 Milwaukee could involve such themes?  Infinity as the number 8?  How about some place 8 blocks from anything someone believes as significant to both verse and image?  Preferably in the southward direction.

I tried loosely interpreting things and thinking that if I start at the southern foot of the Koscuiszko statue and go east 100 paces I see across the street this image. **edit: added in the collar pattern to compare a repeated pattern with this Greek design even though it is now a Mexican restaurant.
I’m trying for a “see a letter from the country” as meaning K for kappa, and K for Koscuiszko similar to how he would use M or B.
Here’s a candidate tree across the street from the restaurant and a spot 100 paces east of the south foot of the statue-

erexere

Helipad is pretty recent, built in 2005.

Darn, thanks Erexere. Back to the drawing board.

The problem with Kosciuszko Park is the complexity of the route from the Grand Staircase. I don’t see distance as so much of an obstacle, but I think the final destination can only be a couple of turnings away via the verse. Although Lake Park is a frustrating place, there doesn’t seem to be any getting away from it.

exactly wilhouse.  That is they way I was also looking at it.  Your 200 Grand St is a good idea.  Maybe somewhere off of Grand St., there are some stairs leading up a pathway or up the side of a hill which dumps out at a culvert.  Remember, the next few lines speak of rock, soil & a birch…sounds outdoors to me.

Perhaps something like this?
http://www.arts-cape.com/eyesthatsee/ny-grav-plaz.html
Grand Ave Plaza….Brooklyn.  There is even a statue cast in copper.

more ramblings:
200 Grand St in NYC (Manhattan I believe) is the Pearl River Emporium.  I think this is one of the more talked about unknown shopping areas in and around little Italy & Chinatown.
200 Grand St in Brooklyn is the DAMASCUS CHRISTIAN CHURCH INC.  Still looking for a pic.

Hey, Fox, I agree with you completely. I have been wondering about these lines a bit. For those unsure, a culvert is a ditch, usually to carry water away. It could be natural or man made, but it is outdoors.
The way the verse is worded, I was supposing grand 200 might be a road or a street, such as the 200 block of Grand Street as opposed to steps.
wilhouse

Well here is the church…
http://www.nantucket.net/community/chur … egational/
quite a beautiful church indeed.
The one thing that seems to always bother me about this V is this:  “Ascend the 92 steps
After climbing the grand 200
Pass the compass and reach
The foot of the culvert”
It just doesnt seem right.  It tells you to climb (ascend) 92 steps after climbing 200 (more steps?) and then you reach the culvert.  If these are the correct directions, then the steps mentioned can not be interior steps of a building leading upwards.  They must be more like outdoors steps..on a path perhaps, or even an outdoors auditorium.  It does specify “ascend” and “climbing” but I am thinking these are very gradual steps over quite a distance where you can still find yourself near a culvert.  Does this make any sense?

decibalnyc

Brush and music hush are 4 arbitrary words, but they mean an art museum, a conservatory, and a library. Rumble is not a train. These are all word play clues just like Compass meaning Lighthouse.

Fair enough!

Whiterabbit pointed out that Solomon Juneau was recognized as Milwaukee’s first postmaster. That also makes the “letter from the country” something that might relate to Juneau or a reason why the image was modeled after Juneau statue.

WhiteRabbit

Fair enough!

There might be some dispute about how we get to the stairs…I believe starting from downtown at the icon, as Maltedfalcon has proposed and getting to the stairs via LMD from downtown is valid and correct but as Renovator and AP said, there is no dispute about what staircase we are looking for so from there it’s pretty clear.
His choice of words makes this one extremely tricky, and he does it on purpose, AND I think he is doing the same thing in the beginning of the verse using cryptic clues like “at a distance in space” and “From three who lived there” to get us in the mindset of doing these word riddles.

Question about the Lake Park Grand Stair: did anyone ever find some better reason for calling it the grand 200, other than the overhead perspective that might fit two Roman numeral leetter C’s?

erexere

Question about the Lake Park Grand Stair: did anyone ever find some better reason for calling it the grand 200, other than the overhead perspective that might fit two Roman numeral leetter C’s?

yes…
trololololololo:
https://youtu.be/cl9GyD4o2nY

Thanks four21, I still dont know what that is, but if you say so…
After a session of deep thinking on this glorious DST morning, and 3 espressos, I have a totally groundshaking exposition to share.
The reason BP uses the name Mitchell. The reason he uses a woman in the image. The reason for “silently playing”.
But first, I’m tossing the idea that Whist has anything to do with understanding clues and the “Biritch” coincidence doesnt really further our understanding or produce any worthwhile leads.
Here it is, the name Mitchell is an alternative to Michael. A riddle is unfolded with recognizing the Wisconsin Club is the relevant Mitchell connection. We need to find a path from the German club to the “country of wonderstone’s hearth,” which involves finding the Clock Tower aka the Polish Moon. I believe the feminine form of Michael combined with a Club” produces Mickey Club and the implication is supported by a number of evidences.
Mitchell contains the letters Mi_c_e__, and the idiom “quiet as a mouse” works with “silently playing” as a way of confirming the clock tower fits another familiar mouse story. In Hickory Dickory Dock, the mouse plays.
Another familiar or popular Mickey is baseballs triple crown hall of famer, Mickey Mantle. A hearth is suggestive of a fireplace mantle. I think the balls being juggled are similar in size to baseballs. The repetitive use of things having to do with three in the verse might be intended to draw attention to things like 1st, 2nd, 3rd base and home plate as well as the story of three blind mice.
“Silently playing” might also double as “breaking records”, leaning on the musical side of things, a broken record is used idiomatically to say something is repetetive, but a literal record playing could be thought of as broken if its failing to produce sound. Mickey Mantle was also a breaker of records.
Solomon Juneau might also be a form of recognizing a bell and the repetitive striking that takes place each tine the mouse runs up the clock.

Euhirudinea

An essential part of the puzzle’s design. But as you rightly point out, not an essential part of the two solves we have to date.

I would agree that he did put obscure references in them, such as the Gershwin reference. We now know that Rhapsody in Blue was one of his personal favorites, so there is a good chance, as you said once, that as he was making them he realized they were too easy and started putting in more difficult puzzles and references, I can agree with that…Perhaps Cleveland and Chicago were 2 of the first ones he did as they are pretty straight forward…not like Milwaukee and Houston and FOY where he seemed to throw some additional layers of deception into….and maybe when it came to NOLA and NYC and Roanoke he was ramping them up.
I just wonder if he started making the obscure clues essential to the solve in the end to make a few of them specifically difficult….where you would have had to solve a few others first to understand. Maybe he was a bit insecure about it being too easy so in some instances he said “this one is going to be difficult”

Walk the beating of the world,
How about Plankington?  “Walk the (plank- as a pirate might say) beating of the world.”. What is generally expected when someone is robbed? They are beaten or at least threatened.  The Golden Age of Piracy was a heavy blow to the world of trade across waters.  I’m not sure why this association might fit with image 10 or verse 8…but there is a substantial piracy allusion in another verse not to do with this image.  Perhaps BP felt it was a bit of creative flair to drop relative associations.

…not me…
Thanks for explaining the paces Savral. I can’t really think of a pace except as a single step, putting the casque by a now unidentifiable tree between the bridge and the road.
I still like this Grant Park sign for “Step on nature”, but nothing else fits.
Copper…copper beech, copper birch…? South Shore Park seems to have copper beeches. There’s even a sign saying “Wisconsin’s Largest Copper Beech”. (Dunno when this stuff dates from.)
http://urbanwilderness-eddee.blogspot.c … ore-in.htm

Click “User Control Panel” in the upper left, then the “Friends and Foes” tab, add the username of any user whose posts you would rather not see anymore in your “Foes” list. Their posts will now be hidden from your view. I’ve found this setting to be very helpful.

erexere

I’m going to downvote the idea that Wells is part of the solution. Wells street was the best option at a time when someone said Wisconsin Ave use to be named Grand. What I didn’t catch was that it wasn’t named Grand at the inception of the Secret. According to
http://www.pabstmansion.com/history/grand-avenue.aspx
the street namechange took place in 1926. That means it’s West Wisconsin or W. Wi is a clear front runner for “As you walk the beating of the world”.

This is what we are talking about…here you’ve actually solved something… As you walk the beating of the world – replace beating with war – War of the the World(s) – HG Wells – Wells St. How do we verify? City Hall is on Wells St…. The Germania Building is on Wells, The Pabst Theater is on Wells, Wells St. leads you to the Juneau Statue… so here you’ve taken one of your OWN correct pieces and are now trying to steer yourself and everyone else away from the correct answer.
How is West Wisconsin a “clear front runner” I haven’t seen anyone else on here concur with that? How is it “CLEAR” that it’s correct? Also you just ignore 421 and my plea to let others get involved… if you want to write a blog and make daily entries then do that…but I think it’s unfair that you’re using this message board as a website for conveying your personal, unproved theories post after post after post. Please let other people post and share their ideas without pontificating about theories that are far reaching and unproven. Please. This is why you are one of the only people posting…not because you are the only one working on it…it’s because no one knows how to comment on these wild theories.

At a distance in time – there is no Minute St. that crosses Wells….There is no Hour St. that crosses Wells…BUT on Second or (2nd) and Wells you find the Germania building…the cultural reference..and you see City Hall. Cross the river and you find “At a distance in space” you see all of this “As you walk the beating of the world” or Wells St. Then you find woman with harpsichord. It’s all right there in the book clues without reading too much into it…it’s a series of word riddles that you can solve on sight.

decibalnyc, you’re being weird. You’re pleading? Have you any idea how a forum works? This isnt a blog. I dont need a blog. What I’ve done here is share ideas. I dont spend unnecessary energy criticizing others. Anyone is free to question what Ive shared. Its up to you to decide how constructive you want to be. I put my ideas out there because I dont know the answers. I hope my ideas are fact checked and come with enough explanation. Sure, there are other peoples theories. Im not saying my theories all there is to talk about. How have you come to your conclusion that I’m pontificating? You, 421, Mr.Seabass, and others are equally welcome to share ideas here. I see you’re annoyed by what I’ve put forth. What did I do to you thats so wrong? How is this forum suddenly a place to discuss only those ideas that you deem worthy?
You asked how W. Wisconsin is more CLEAR than W. Wells. In my narrative I neglected to explain it better. Sorry. I should say its more clear as an expression of my opinion. I thought HG Wells was a clever idea. Is it correct, I dont know. What I do know is I dont see the necessity for the connection. HG Wells doesnt seem like a good fit for Milwaukee. In the Houston puzzle we had a little more to go on when we brought attention to Melville. We had a quote from a book and a good candidate for its context, if you like the Atropos Key theory, since the quote from Pierre also refers to the three Weird Sisters, which connects literally to Atropos. Does HG Wells connect to the Milwaukee puzzle in a similarly inspired way? I dont see it, so for the time being I think W. Wisconsin is more clear. I’m on the lookout for anything else that might refer to WWI. I might have something. I’ll share in a moment. Another thing that seems fitting is the path along Wisconsin Ave supports a link to the 92 stair rotunda in the Plankington building more directly than Wells street, which, just a block away, still might apply, but why not go with the simpler connection, the Plankington is on W. WI Ave.
I left off in my previous post trying to puzzle out the meaning behind “from woman, with harpsichord”. I also thought the Clock Tower Acres was the setting for that clue. There isnt much to be found when I take a virtual tour down 2nd street. Other than the Clock Tower itself, I see only some street names. I tried cross referencing the word harpsichord
With each street name in hopes that it might produce something no more obscure as a Sarmiento quote in Abroad in America. Didnt find anything. Then I think of the preposition in “from woman” and think the “distance in space” doesn’t contain the harpsichord clue after all. Maybe the reference is outside of the boundary and away from the clue like turning south on 2nd street is “from” the shared point where Kilborn, Plankington, and Marquette meet. I dont know, figuring out BP is tough to do. I tend to get his ideas backwards, like Siskel and Egbert in their solve for Cleveland, BP has a way of being near ambiguous. So, Lincoln Ave is just further south beyond the Clock Tower Acres neighborhood. I look into cross referencing Lincoln with Harpshichord. He was assassinated at a theater during the play Our Amer8can Cousin, but I didnt find any clear reference to a harpsichord there. I’m no history buff, so I wouldnt know, but maybe Mary Todd Lincoln had a harpsichord event…but no, I turned up nothing but siphylis when I googled. I did find something interesting about Lincoln and WWI however. There was a poem and musical cantata called Abraham Lincoln Walks at Midnight. Does the music utilize a harpsichord? I’m unsure. I dont know how reference worthy or accessible this idea wouldve been in 1982. Its a really effing weird way to tell us to turn on Lincoln Ave from 2nd street. I cant even see how 2nd street connects directly to Lincoln. Theres a break in the road, so you’d have to navigate a gap on the map. I dont really like it.
I have another idea, something I wouldnt want to do without justification, but how about using an anagram? The juggler could be a hint for anagramming, since several objects are being tossed in the air, constantly shifting. I think it could be analog to taking letters and repositioning them. One of the streets in the Clock Tower Acres neighborhood is named Orchard. That is a word which can be spelled from the letters in Harpsichord. I played with this idea for awhile and came up with something that I want to explore further.
WITH HARPSICHORD anagrams to ORCHARD HIPS (SHIP?) WHIST.
Whist is a card game. When I researched the word whist, the description included the words “quiet” or “silent”. This looks like rabbitholery to me, but its something I want to put out there, because I’m just befuddled by the line “from woman, with harpsichord”. Can this tie in with the next line “silently playing”?
Blast away…

decibalnyc

At a distance in time – there is no Minute St. that crosses Wells….There is no Hour St. that crosses Wells…BUT on Second or (2nd) and Wells you find the Germania building…the cultural reference..and you see City Hall. Cross the river and you find “At a distance in space” you see all of this “As you walk the beating of the world” or Wells St. Then you find woman with harpsichord. It’s all right there in the book clues without reading too much into it…it’s a series of word riddles that you can solve on sight.

I understand the interest in the Germania building but what I don’t get is where do you go from there how do you find a spot to dig? People are entertaining a lot of different theories right now. Its great that the Germania theory sustains your interest. I’m interested in seeing you or someone else add more to that idea.
Is it in Lake Park, near Juneau’s statue, Pere Marquette Park, Kosciuszco Park, or somewhere else?

erexere

You asked how W. Wisconsin is more CLEAR than W. Wells. In my narrative I neglected to explain it better. Sorry. I should say its more clear as an expression of my opinion. I thought HG Wells was a clever idea. Is it correct, I dont know. What I do know is I dont see the necessity for the connection. HG Wells doesnt seem like a good fit for Milwaukee.

erexere

if you like the Atropos Key theory, since the quote from Pierre also refers to the three Weird Sisters, which connects literally to Atropos. Does HG Wells connect to the Milwaukee puzzle in a similarly inspired way?

erexere

I’m on the lookout for anything else that might refer to WWI. I might have something. I’ll share in a moment. Another thing that seems fitting is the path along Wisconsin Ave supports a link to the 92 stair rotunda in the Plankington building more directly than Wells street, which, just a block away, still might apply, but why not go with the simpler connection, the Plankington is on W. WI Ave.

erexere

I left off in my previous post trying to puzzle out the meaning behind “from woman, with harpsichord”. I also thought the Clock Tower Acres was the setting for that clue. There isnt much to be found when I take a virtual tour down 2nd street. Other than the Clock Tower itself, I see only some street names. I tried cross referencing the word harpsichord
With each street name in hopes that it might produce something no more obscure as a Sarmiento quote in Abroad in America. Didnt find anything. Then I think of the preposition in “from woman” and think the “distance in space” doesn’t contain the harpsichord clue after all. Maybe the reference is outside of the boundary and away from the clue like turning south on 2nd street is “from” the shared point where Kilborn, Plankington, and Marquette meet. I dont know, figuring out BP is tough to do.

erexere

I tend to get his ideas backwards, like Siskel and Egbert in their solve for Cleveland, BP has a way of being near ambiguous. So, Lincoln Ave is just further south beyond the Clock Tower Acres neighborhood. I look into cross referencing Lincoln with Harpshichord. He was assassinated at a theater during the play Our Amer8can Cousin, but I didnt find any clear reference to a harpsichord there. I’m no history buff, so I wouldnt know, but maybe Mary Todd Lincoln had a harpsichord event…but no, I turned up nothing but siphylis when I googled. I did find something interesting about Lincoln and WWI however. There was a poem and musical cantata called Abraham Lincoln Walks at Midnight. Does the music utilize a harpsichord? I’m unsure. I dont know how reference worthy or accessible this idea wouldve been in 1982. Its a really effing weird way to tell us to turn on Lincoln Ave from 2nd street. I cant even see how 2nd street connects directly to Lincoln. Theres a break in the road, so you’d have to navigate a gap on the map. I dont really like it.

erexere

I have another idea,

erexere

Blast away…

Lets start here…. YOU don’t see a necessity for the connection because you don’t want to, nor do you have any clue as to how these puzzles work. The book says that you might be able to find the locations FROM YOUR HOME…in 1981 without the internet. Maybe you would have a set of encyclopedias, and a common knowledge of pop culture and us history. Maybe if you were an EXTREMELY well read person you MIGHT stumble onto some of these literary references, but BP made it so it wasn’t necessary to know this stuff in order to find a casque. He used simple puzzles and clues that ANYONE would be able to figure out using only the book and some common sense.
Why on earth would you need all of this to figure out the dig spot? You don’t, Wells and War of the Worlds is pop culture, widely known by a majority of people, which makes it an easy puzzle. At a distance in time is an easy clue…how do you measure time, he is giving you an answer you can apply to the hunt. It doesn’t have to be inspired in a similar way to anything, it’s a simple word puzzle.
Because you don’t know how these puzzles work at all, that’s why….NOTHING in the verse refers to World War 1 or 2, there is no reason to put things into a context like that. BP HIMSELF alluded to the fact that these were simple, easy puzzles that would probably all be solved in a year and then his publisher would be angry with him.
Actually, it’s not. Me and 421 have given you the exact starting point for Milwaukee in the last few posts…but it seems that simple answers are not to your liking as you stated that you were more interested in making “connections” than solutions. Because the clues and answers are simple it’s your nature to embellish on them until they meet some kind of ‘erexere prerequisite’ connections to an obscure literature or art reference or historical find…and then try to connect that obscure connection to some other obscure connection you came up with for another line and make them all plausible through your imagination. ALL OF THIS is getting so far away from how this hunt works and it is way beyond the simple nature of what BP created that trying to use it as a point of discussion in a group is pointless because the only person who see’s logic in the theory is you.
Again, what you’re talking about has nothing to do with what Brian and Andy did in Cleveland. No where in the image or verse for Milwaukee does he say Lincoln. He alludes to (and again in a VERY SIMPLE WORD CLUE) the LINCOLN MEMORIAL being “cast in copper” on the back of a US 1 cent piece, another EASY, COMMON thing. So you don’t need to research Abe Lincoln, or Mary Todd, or any of that…it’s totally unnecessary and where has it got you so far? Not to a LOGICAL dig location as compared to other locations that Forrest Blight and AP, Pine, Shecrab, or even Shadowrunner has come up with. You’re actually giving people the wrong impression on how to look at these. It’s not that because I don’t like your idea’s they are invalid…it’s because your theories on finding information are flawed in the first place. The Pabst Theater is and always has been referred to as the Grand Ole Lady. There are 2 IMAGE MATCHS ON THE DOOR, above the door there is a bust of a woman above a balcony that resembles a harpsichord, and it’s on Wells st and across the street from city hall…I don’t know how much more evident it could be.
Of course you do, you have over 2600 posts on here, you have been a member for only 1667 days. That’s a post and a half a day, every day of the week for as long as you’ve been a member. Malted Falcon has been a member since 2003 and has HALF as many posts as you in 3 times the amount of time. Brian who has found a casque and created many of these threads, has just over 500. You post a LOT, with that many posts, you should have some sort of solid, logical foundation for dig spots that many users can agree on…but there isn’t, it’s just more far reaching idea’s and theories that never seem to lead to…or come from a logical place based on what we know about solving the hunt.
I know you probably think I am being a bully or some sort of hard ass, but I’m not. I’ve been watching you post these wild theories since I have been on the board, and although your “connections” are interesting, 99% of them don’t have anything to do with solving the puzzle. All of us like to think about possibilities, but before posting each and every thought you have to the message board, think about if it’s going to help, if it’s a logical thought based on how the puzzles work, does it distract or take you away from the simple, common, meaning of the verse? BP does not care whether you happen to like the way he set up the hunt or not, the fact remains that he set this up to be a simple treasure hunt, that should have been completed a long time ago…by taking something as simple as 2nd and Wells as a starting point where you have verse, image, and cultural references ALL RIGHT THERE, and making it into something that needs a compass and a map and takes you to a location that has nothing to do with the image or the verse, because it “seems right” to you….you are actually hindering the chances of someone finding a casque, and confusing new comers to the forum as to figuring out how the puzzle works. My suggestion, throw out everything you know, go read the book and start over until you understand how it works instead of making these stabs in the dark.
I did

I’m going to downvote the idea that Wells is part of the solution. Wells street was the best option at a time when someone said Wisconsin Ave use to be named Grand. What I didn’t catch was that it wasn’t named Grand at the inception of the Secret. According to
http://www.pabstmansion.com/history/grand-avenue.aspx
the street namechange took place in 1926. That means it’s West Wisconsin or W. Wi is a clear front runner for “As you walk the beating of the world”.
When we retrace the Cleveland and Chicago solutions, there’s a sense of taking a path. When that path changes direction, there’s some indicator in either verse or image. I don’t think this approach is 100% for all the solutions, but it seems like the way to go for Milwaukee.
If we begin at the Wisconsin Club/Mitchell Mansion and walk east along W. Wisconsin, then the line “at a distance in time” taken to mean 2nd is a good indicator to take a turn. At first I think it means to turn north, because then you’d arrive at the shared point of Kilbourn/Plankington streets and Marquette Park, but the preposition in “from three who lived there” gives me reason to think we actually head south so we avoid going “towards three who lived there”. The next line “at a distance in space” has at times fit my idea as an indicator for the Clock Tower Acres neighborhood which would be encountered along S. 2nd street between Greenfield and Becher streets. This is where “from woman, with harpsichord” rears it’s ugly head.

MrSeabass

It’s buried in Pere Marquette Park. End of discussion.

Not so sure.
Pick any spot in the park and read the verse backwards. Assuming you find a birch anywhere in the park, walk northwest. Where is the culvert below the bridge? There are very few locations in Milwaukee where there is a culvert or bridge northwest of a logical dig spot. This park is not one of them.

Here is the Lake Park Tree Walk guide I talked about the other day in my post. It only talks about birches in the appendix
Regardless I thought it was important for anyone who wants to to be able to see it. I’ve taken pictures of each page of importance.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … =1&theater

Lady Poverty

Erexere
If you are asking me … Not sure. I noticed the harp lights and am pretty sure they’ve been talked about by other users too. I mean, they are ALL over the city. There is one at the end of my block actually. They line many of the larger streets. So I recognize they are not unique to any park. They don’t all have G s on them. I have no idea if I should make a connection to the verse based off of it…but I have no other speculations as to what the harpsicord could be referencing.
I like the idea that some verse lines stand independently of others. I mean why the comma between from woman and with harpsichord? Besides an obscure painting there seems to be no other match. Maybe it no longer exists or maybe the two never were meant to be tied to begin with.
My take went something like this when thinking about the Lake Park theory:
With harpsicord (Lightpost?)
Silently playing (see the golf course and the game being played either a. From a distance/ too far to hear or b. Silent because when playing people generally don’t talk. I’m not a golfer So could be way off but that is what i thought.)
Step on nature (enter Lake Park)

In my view, Lake Park is a “red honeypot”. The theory has been thoroughly discussed. Pieces of the verse remain unexplained and only a rough idea that some trees, possibly the most vital trees to the theory, are no longer existing. There was a time, if given the chance, I would’ve enjoyed trekking through Lake Park, but that’s all changed since turning my focus on the Wisconsin Club, which is the new sweet spot of interest.
The amethyst is dedicated and hidden by the dwarves: “Imperial star of Germany” (LotJ). It’s my strong opinion some characteristic of that choice of words will connect directly with the method for how the jewel is located. I think there’s room to consider the contrast between the qualities of things relating to imperial and such things dwarf in nature. I believe the intent is for us to find a tiny star at the southern foot of a proud tall fifth. That points the way to the casque.

Expanding in the fact that the amethyst is the dwarven jewel and then my curiosity about the equestrian statue of Kosciuszko that he is the proud tall “fifth” (1-of-5 star military rank), I just came to a word association in regards to abjormal growth. The statue’s boots have small stars or spurs. A spur may also be a type of abnormal growth. Dwarfism is an abnormal growth condition. I think this could be a great marker for casque.

I would think that the eyes for the summerfest logo would be a slight stretch. Now, if you lookup the history of summerfest you will see that in 1966 it was called “Juli Spaß” (German for “July Fun”) . Were there a plaque commemmorating the name then we’d be onto something (e.g. “. . . It was Mayor Maier’s dream to have a “Juli Spaß ….”) However, by 1981 the name was pretty much forgotten except for a few Milwaukee history buffs.

Elcid

So I looked through the thread but didn’t see anything about the fact that the letter from the country is most likely a letter with an umlaut (two dots over the letter). It’s identified with Germany and can be found in various names of beers such as “Kolsch”.

Or maybe even the one that forms the eyes for the Summerfest logo

Das Boot Theory
continued 3/3
I’m rather intrigued by the way these Dwarves hid their purple amethyst. The stereotypical tinkerer, engineer, builder, tunnel digger, and drinker might apply to these Fair Folk. I’ve got a feeling the aim is to pay homage to Time-Travelling. Some things in this puzzle related to the “ticker” (clocks), and others relate to the “walker” (feet). When it comes to “time travel”, H.G. Wells is the main man even though he is British and this is intended as a German themed puzzle. We can’t ignore that he did write the ever so great novel, the War of the Worlds.
I was just reading the eBook of The Time Machine, by H.G. Wells. Some things that I looked for were any “phrases” that might match the verse, or any context involving words like ‘nature’ or ‘harpsichord’. The subject of Man vs. Nature is brought up several times during the Time Traveller’s observations of how Man has endured in Nature over countless years. None of this seemed to directly connect to the Milwaukee puzzle. A couple observations I must mention, however, are his initial meeting of the people from the distant future and his description of a 4 foot tall, fragile man wearing purple. The adults were small, weak, and only as intelligent as a 4 or 5 year old child. Another thing of note was the disappearance of the Time Machine, which he discovered had been carried towards a giant statue of a white sphinx and then into some secret panel or hatch in the large pedestal. I’ll like to think more about this as I work this puzzle.
Start at City Hall, “clock tower”.
When standing on E. State street and about halfway between N. Water St. and River St. you would have the exact match of the spires on City Hall as it’s portrayed in Image10. You can’t see this now because the Marcus Center for the Performing Arts stands in the way. I don’t know when this theater building was built, but I’m guessing it wasn’t there in 1982.
It’s not a bad idea to consider this as a starting point based on the Iconic Picture Path concept. I think at some point we need to consider walking by the Pabst Theater based on the collar pattern.
Start on N. Water and E. State (primary image clue)
Take N. Water south for 2 blocks (direction change because there’s another image clue)
Take E. Wells west for about 9 blocks to 9th and W. Wells (apply first line of verse)
At this point we might consider the German focus that the Wisconsin Club represents (the club’s three founders lived there)
Perhaps here we adjust our position to 9th and Grand Ave. Treat the Club as the center of a clock, north as noon and standing on the corner might be considered 1:30 and moving some distance in time might be conveyed by taking the 4:30 position at the southeast corner of the Club.
Whatever is meant by “From woman, with harpsichord,” and “Silently playing,” I’m assuming it has something to do with the approach to the Plankington.
Take Grand Ave. 7 blocks to 2nd and Grand Ave.
“At a distance in space,” could be the 7 blocks travel, speculating that the 7 juggled objects could be used as a clue and a block could be the measure of space or it could mean to go into the space of the Plankington Building and find the atrium. (atrium is an interesting word, a heart chamber? I recall thinking a maid or chambermaid could be “from woman,” and music or chamber music could be “with harpsichord.”)
In the center is a wishing well occupied by a tall pedestal and statue of John Plankington. (cast in copper)
“Step on nature” is difficult to ascribe. Nature could be used in the sense of the anything natural and not man made, such as the basic elements like earth, air, fire, and water. I’m thinking that ‘step’ could have to with the foot or ‘ped’ and the nature could be the water of the well with the PEDestal in it’s center. In the context of a wishing well, I want to play with the idea that we’re wishing ourselves to some destination.
Surrounding the well is a rotunda with four sets of stairs, count 92 total steps in all.
“Pass the compass and reach,” at this point is open to much interpretation. Whatever it is, we reach the foot of the culvert and so must be at some road where water is channeled below it. I think this may apply to any normal city street with sewers tunnels below. “Below the bridge,” can mean anything that connects two points through or over some kind of intervening obstruction. I’m sorta stuck at this point to imagine a means to take us from this point at the rotunda to the next point.
Jumping ahead to my “boot” on the Kozy monument, I find several lines of verse work exactly to get you to the base of his statue. Working backwards,
1) pride, has to do with achievement, and Kozy has achieved the rank and status of Brigadier General, a 1-star officer. Full general is a 4-star officer, but there is such a thing as the elite 5-star, which has only been recognized in about 8 people in US History (3 during the Civil War era, and 5 during the WW II era). So 1 of 5 = a fifth.
2) Kozy is Polish, and wonderstone is something which is often highly “polished”, so it’s a perfect blend of two meanings between rubbing a stone smooth and the name of a country.
3) You pass 4 birch trees as you walk from the northwest corner entrance of the park, staying west, to the southwest corner next to the Kozy monument.
4) 100 paces from that Park entrance to the northwest (remember I’m working backwards, so it’s 100 paces southeast over rock and soil in the verse) is the diagonal fence line of raised sports field. This may be seen as a bridge in the sense that you climb up onto it, walk across, and then climb down back to the street level. (The status of the fence being there in 1982 is unknown at this time)
So I’m not really sure how to regard the lines “The foot of the culvert / Below the bridge”, but maybe that’s the one thing that will have to go unexplained.
I’m just left with trying to figure out how to recognize the precise spot to dig at the “southern foot” of Kozy. My best guess is it has everything to do with one of his boots, because the word ‘waits’ ends the verse, and if the idea of ‘chambermaid’ is involved in that previous line about the harpsichord, then it’s possible that and other clues about feet and walking might be a hint about the FOOTMAN type of waiter/servant. I believe Kosciuszko is our FOOT. All we need now are some brave turtles armed with shovels…

A few posts back I cut an pasted a the flag from image 6 onto the comparison of image 10 with art for the film Time Bandits. That was just some fun and not meant to present any sureness on my part that they are related. I thought they looked similar and if they suggest anything, it might suggest the artist couldve borrowed material but not for any particular meaning beyond that. Hope that’s clear and not confusing.
I sure like the idea of time travelling treasure hunting dwarfs as an influence on Milwaukee, but nothing to get too excited about. Hope people enjoyed the comparisons.

Euhirudinea

I just always assumed that all the legwork for the book was done in 1981. I just don’t think there is enough time in one calendar year to do everything necessary to have a book like this published, especially when you consider that he probably didn’t put them in the ground in the north until spring, and putting them in the ground is one of the first things (after commissioning them of course) that needed to be done. So late spring to early fall of 1981 would be my best guess.

Well based on the article written about the Chicago guys, BP buried the casques (or the Chicago casque) in the “winter of 1981-82.”
I was always curious as to the months too…there are some monuments that were installed in parks, etc, that were in 1981 (for example one referencing V6) that it would help to know exactly when he was there.
(see if this shows up…)

I should’ve revised my concept on the “time travel” leap from point A to point B. Point A is the Plankington rotunda near 200 Grand and the usage of that address reference is Byron’s super clever compass hint to set 0 at North and take a 200 degree bearing from there to some point that gets you “100 paces southeast” from your next breadcrumb, the first young birch.
Im still open to going northeast towards lake park, but that will require more mental gymnastics.

Well the Girl Scout Markers were placed in 1981. I guess he would have buried it after they were put up, and at this point I have to begrudgingly admit there is a 50% chance that he did put it next to a tree 🙁 There is just nothing else there that fits the description of a proud tall 5th.
The large cottonwood at the first dig site, used to have one of these markers on it…as did any tree that signified a turn along the path. They were taken down in 1989, except the ones that grew into the trees.
These markers appear to be the key to the whole thing as there is nothing else that would represent a letter on a tree. Also there is nothing else along the current path that would have a letter on it at all…there are trees, trees, and more trees.
Because we have history on our side, knowing where the 4 trunked tree was, and knowing where the GS markers were, it’s going to be a guessing game at this point.
If the letter from the country would be an “O” well then it would be easier.

decibalnyc

There is just nothing else there that fits the description of a proud tall 5th.

I’m ready to drink a fifth of whiskey while dressed like James Monroe wearing a giant letter E on my head, if it would help.

Unknown

Unknown:
Well the Girl Scout Markers were placed in 1981

Unknown

Unknown:
If the letter from the country would be an “O” well then it would be easier.

If true, that actually helps. It means that the markers were new and prominent when Preiss went to bury the casques. It also means that trail would have been fresh and not overgrown as they tend to get after years on neglect. IOW, something that would have easily attracted his attention. I know it doesn’t help identify the burial ground, but does reinforce (at least to me) that we are on the right track.
I don’t follow. What does this mean?

Here’s my visual concept, showing the two types of compass. One type may be used to set a heading of 200-degrees, the other type can be walked 7 steps once the Plankington rotunda and the specific view of City Hall are discovered,

Also, p.101 seems to be consistent with my theory:
German theme – upper right corner writing says “A. G. Hugo” aka Hugo Boss AG, German apparel company. Notice how the initials G and H might be a loose hint for H.G. Wells.
Writing below A.G.Hugo says “Co.K”. Is that for Company K? Is “K” a clue for Kosciouszko?
Uniform has the number 7
Pre-Revolutionary Warlock might be a loose hint for Morlock of H.G. Wells’ Time Machine story and also might be a hint about American Revolutionary Thaddeus Kosciouszko.
p.102 says the Warlock is “polishing” the canon for auction. Kosciouszko is Polish. Wonderstones are polished.
Time to polish off some beer.

Something I hoped could receive some discussion is the way the four lines could work starting with “at a distance…” to “…harpsichord”.
Looks like we might try coordinating the word ‘time’ with ‘from three’ and then ‘space’ with ‘from woman’.
Time and three, might be saying “from the direction east” if 3 “o’clock is taken as a direction. So the two lines together would mean “go west + who lived there?” I want to think Plankington, because his statue sits in the center of the building named for him and was described as his home. I want to check that. It looks like such a commercial type building. Was that really his mansion long ago?
Now space and from woman as a direction is really wonky. Whats that symbol for for woman on an astrology chart? Its like a key…a circle with a “t” below it. Does that mean anything to anyone? Is it the same symbol for a planet or something?
Oh yes, its the symbol for Venus or the chemical element copper.
So at a distance from the second planet + “with harpsichord”…weird. gonna think more about this strangeness.

From a solar system perspective, I think of the number 3 as reference to Earth. I think of H.G. Wells as reference to Mercury (Hg – element). I think of Woman as Venus (copper). This whole planetary reference system could be applied in a number of ways when looking at a map, but first requires really good points of reference…seems a weak spot in this whole line of thought.

I noticed the German beer stein on the mantel over my hearth and thought of the Milwaukee dwarves. My stein has a hinged lid that looks like a building spire. One of the reasons Wells street is being utilized in the puzzle might relate to drinking.

I’ve come across the same post card in my research and the same defect shows up on mine (although it is not on your 1912 postcard)–I think that is a printing defect and not really part of the picture.  But it matters not.  The bluffs in that area no longer exist and they have not for a long long time–they were filled in with land fill to create the beach on the other side of Lincoln Memorial Drive at the shore of Lake Michigan.  Its all flattened out now.  I don’t find it a stretch to call a down hill running ravine that has a drain at the bottom of it a culvert.  My dictionary defines culvert as “a drain crossing under a road or railroad”.  There is a large drain at the bottom and it does cross under the Lion Bridge which used to be the major road through the park until the land fill helped create Lincoln Memorial Drive, then it was destined to become a foot bridge.  Have faith, my friend.

Wow, great stuff WR!
I was just thinking about the line with ‘as you walk the beating of the world’ and it seems to me a reference to the waves beating a shoreline.

I found this picture in Stercox’s Milwaukee album labelled “R1 Culvert end”…
http://news.webshots.com/album/548906299aPUQAZ
Is that rocky trail a footpath, or a culvert, or both…? Is there general agreement that the “culvert” in the verse is referring to something like this…? Do both of the lion bridges have them…?
* * * * *
Wondering if the primrose matches the design on the bridge supports.
Eight lions…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Stone_Lions_(Kupper
)
Lines of eight…
Circle of eight…

Thanks Fox!
I am close to Atlanta so next time I go I will stop by and take some pics to post.
J

Yeah I know many have been there just asking what the end of that trail looks like, never saw any pictures from that actual site. Unfortunately a great many links and images, because the way this forum hosts, are now just “404” broken removed or no longer exists. Yeah ofcourse so many decades and as noted the birch trees have been cut down and landscape has changed. And yes I will continue to use google earth as I live in the southern tip of Florida and not likely to jump on a plane just to see if something is a manhole or other structure, but thanks for the tip that I can re read the thread for an umphteenth time.

you cant use the past three staying west clue to apply to the path, its a red herring, i did that…it leads you to the burial mound and gives you a clue about the final location.

Egbert

Very nice connections, here. I love the “cast in copper” as a wishing fountain. I can’t believe that no one thought of that before.
The photo you posted seems to show that this is indoors. Is that correct? Not sure BP would have us go indoors for clues. Does that “compass rose” have any letters or numbers on it? If not, it may just be a decorative circle which looks like a compass rose.

Erexere actually posted exactly this more than a year ago, both the well at the arcade and theh 92 steps with the compass rose.

Yeah exere posting in addition to the starting point that was posted by atomicleprechaun made me go in that direction… there are no other markings except for the design which makes me believe there may be a compass elsewhere in the vicinity.
There used to be a fairly sizable fountain in the mall but it was removed in the late 80s early 90s due to people bathing in it and stealing the money.
I also wasn’t sure if he would send us inside for the hunt but the “shops at grand avenue” didn’t open to the public until 1983 and it used to be the plankinton arcade which may or may not have been mostly open, I am not sure and can’t really tell from the photography I have found.
It was one of the iconic locations of the era though which is why i continued with that thought process.
I think the first part fits really nicely and I spent a great deal of time my first run out there just looking at the first lines to get somethign concrete… my next trip is definitely going to involve the arcade/shops and the surrounding area a lot more. Some of the previous posts have stated that it could lead north to the Pere Marquette Park but from the looks of it, I am not sure. I am currently not seeing anything that would lead in that direction.
I will post more after my next trip, which I should be able to make in a few weeks.
Also, due to the riverwalk project from the mid 90s the entire riverfront was torn up and the walk was created all along the river. This has definitely changed the landscape and I am still trying to find some kind of photography or map of what exactly was done where to maybe help put the pieces together.

you can see the images of the old fountains on the shops of grand avenue pinterest board…
http://www.pinterest.com/shopsofgrandave/memory-lane/

Good work otteriffic. Its exactly that challenge of verifying something was existing back then. That pintrest article called it a “renewal”. Its a beautiful and historic looking fountain and stairs. Its bard to imagine it wasnt accessible to the public. It wasnt someones private mansion was it? Im curious about its history in the 60’s or 70’s.
before those 92 steps were found, it was the Grand Stair in Lake Park that held everyone’s interest. The prevailing assumptions are many…we expect clues to be tightly constrained to a small area like Grant Park in Chicago or the Cultural Gardens on Cleveland. Stairs in Lake Park just led everyone to comb only that part of the city for clues, leaving the rest of the city relatively fresh for the picking. Its like we’ve only just begun…
I still wonder which Mitchell spot is our concern. Mitchell Hall, Mitchell Domes, Wisconsin Club, Mitchell Bank all seem equally interesting. The one thing that fascinates me most is the idea of using a draft compass tool on a map and drawing circles based on the distance a person walks in a given amount of time, which might be a “league” (roughly 3 miles in 1 hour). The question of where to place the point of origin and then what points of interest along a 360 degree arc might work, and the then how many times that method is employeed are all considerations….I think this is why we see a juggler in the image. We must juggle some quantity of “balls” or “circles” to get this tricky puzzle to play out correctly.

There are exactly 92 steps from the parking lot up to the building where I work, here in Kansas.
I’m just sayin’.

That must be the ONE skyscraper in Kansas.
Can you get everyone a Stucky T-shirt?
Kansas – the one state where pot grows wild on the side
of the highway. (not kidding)

Trohn

That must be the ONE skyscraper in Kansas.

Don’t know who or what Stucky is, but I’m sure you’ll tell me.
Didn’t know about the pot, either, but I’m not surpised. This state is certainly unique in many ways
I’m starving for a treasure hunt. I may go to St. Louis sometime in the next couple of months.

Forest Blight–  Let us know when you come to St. Louis.  Perhaps we can all gather.

Of course – the trip will be as much to meet the St. Louis contingent as to speculate about where X marks the spot. I’ll mention this trip again in a few weeks (assuming you guys don’t dig it up by then).

maltedfalcon you mentioned Sutro Tower, which made me think of the hole, in the
in the rock at Sutro baths, found this link not a good one, but will do to show it.
http://www.geocities.com/sfphototour/sutro_baths.html
think their are a couple of forts in park too, forts always have a door in the stone wall.
but then a lot of walls made of stone have doors, which makes that line a tough one
too figure out
a link to golden gate park
http://www.nps.gov/goga/photosmultimedia/index.htm

There are at least 4 ravines in the park…and who knows how many birch’s have been cut down by now. Do you think BP would have relied on tree’s to be the only clue to solving this. It was my understanding that he thought the quest was possibly too easy, and that they all would have been found in a few years.
I pose this question….in any of the other riddles, does BP use things that normally wouldn’t stand the test of time as clues? IE trees, plants, non permanent fixtures? Is there another case of him using a tree as a marker? What I am getting at is did he have the foresight to not put the casque in the way of nature? I understand nothing is forever as Houston was lost under concrete, but when he was putting these out, he must have thought about these things, I mean what is the use of all this planning if you put the things where they could get crushed by tree roots or constructed over.
I don’t know if we could ever follow this riddle correctly due to the changes over the last 30 years….so even if you can figure the whole thing out…which is daunting…you still may not be able to follow it all the way.

BP may not have given much thought to the long-term when forming his clues. He didn’t expect the hunt to last all that long. Now here we are 32+ years later…

Forest,
I have heard this also, that he never expected it to go on this long….now was that from the Zinn interview piece or where? Is that an assumption or did we read it somewhere?

Yes, it is in that article.
I just love this article:
http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/egbert/secret.html

As a followup to my previous post, I have found some examples of what searching through the UWM Post’s archive may yield. Nothing defniitive yet but there may be something that is or that at least leads to a defintive picture (for example a race winner with a picture). I’m having trouble getting the images embedded in my post but if you look at the Oct. 31, 1976 issue you will see a picture of the start of the Annual Pumpkin Race (from Locust and Lake). Another example is a picture of picnic benches and surroundings in the Feb. 28, 1980 issue.
– Elcid

I found that the UW-Milwaukee Post (the student newspaper) has digitized all of their newspapers from 1952-2012 (when they went all digital) at
http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/cdm/land … on/uwmpost
. If you use the for all the words of “Lake Park” in the relevant time period you will find some extant pictures (along with other things such as meeting places). I have found some pictures in there but nothing yet that helps but also haven’t gone through them all. There were races in the park, for example, that had a bunch of pictures in the sports section.

I respect your criticisms but be careful to avoid marginalizing ideas unless you’re prepared to prove tye overriding point.
Humming is used in music.  My Keith Jarret album is a good example.  The basis for humming is that it represents resonation or vivration which is also the basis of the harpsichord’s plucked strings.  A woman playing harpsichord is a simple enough hint to get us thinking on the virginals of 17th century Borroque or Renaissance period.  Sure I’m deviating from the literal and suggesting an alternative, but its not to make up or invent some pointless connection.  There is nothing wrong with looking at the following possibilities: a statue, a painting, a street name that might have something in common with a particular woman famous for playing harpsichord, or some kind of stripped down comparison like a rectangled shape with parallel lines that involves the playing of a woman…yes, something not musical at all.
I might simply be wrong about the Ivan Mestrovic statue, but I’m not wrong about a woman holding a baby as a representation of lullaby.  For all we know there is some connection to the well known composition Silent Night.  Round yon “virginal” mother and child….
The analytics of Preiss’ words should still continue and even the seemingly pointless or trivial ideas might one day triumph.
I should add that I’m still not fixed in my view that “silently playing”  is coupled with the harpsichord.

Animal Painter, I just read that the German word origin for the verb ‘walk’ means “to knead”.  That removes any doubt in my mind Ken Wood is our guy.

Would anyone be willing to see North Prospect Ave to East Wells Street as a fit for these lines,
At a distance in time
…
At a distance in space
since prospect may mean “act of looking into the distance,” and H.G. Wells (Ken Wood and Wells both from England) was referred to as “the Father of Science Fiction”.  Space and Time are often topics in the science fiction genre.
I see a possible theme arising, “Fathering”, to do with creation or inventing:  Ken Wood, the father of the kitchen mixer,  H.G. Wells, the father of science fiction, and Germany, the “Fatherland”.
The verb “to father” may mean to create a child. The segment, “from woman” also seems like a clue about child creation.
I’m now considering if “from three who lived there” means a mother, father, and child.  I don’t know where to go from there.

View the three stories of Mitchell
Dunno if this has been suggested before (couldn’t see it in a forum search), but the most plausible Milwaukee candidate I can find for this is the three-storey Mitchell Mansion, aka the “Wisconsin Club”, or “German Club”.
http://www.wisconsinclub.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kira_westland/3765849994/
It’s at 900 West Wisconsin Avenue.
Originally the home of
Alexander Mitchell
, “this location was purchased in 1895 from the Mitchell family by the founders of the club, three Milwaukee businessmen, General F. C. Winkler, George Koeppen and Henry Gugler.” (Three who lived there…? Or maybe the Mitchell family.)
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
You can kind of head east until you hit the art museum. Unsuccessful in finding any women with harpsichords who might have appeared there, though I liked this one. (You won’t.)
I, II, III
43, 87 = Milwaukee
http://www.abcgallery.com/F/fedotov/fedotov2.html

WhiteRabbit,
Here is a link to “Mitchell Hall” on Downer Ave. near Lake Park.
It is 3 stories tall.
http://www4.uwm.edu/map/buildings/vt-mit-prof.cfm
Here is a link to the Webshots album of Milwaukee photos
taken by Stercox several years ago. I don’t know if you need
to sign up on Webshots to view it.
http://news.webshots.com/album/548906299aPUQAZ?start=0

(Thanks for that AP.)
Beating of the world just reminded me of the German anthem:
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt
Club…beating…
World…whirled…(image 10)
1920 Milwaukee entry in the Guinness Book of Records – involving 55 elephants and a circus
1957 World Series victory for the Milwaukee Braves

Okay, I’ve read all of the posts in this thread.  From three who lived there;  Could refer to Milwaukee’s three basic founders, Juneau, Kilbourn, and Walker.  Could also refer to The family of Lloyd Smith, who lived at Villa Terrace.
Three Stories of Mitchell: The Domes of Mitchell Park, containing three separate botanical environements? Or Mitchell Hall, UWM, a three-story building on the corner of downer and kenwood.
The Grand 200?  The Grand Staircase at Lake Park or Grand Avenue, now called Wisconsin Avenue?
The beating of the world? The ‘heart’ of the city perhaps?
The compass?  Could be anything remotely resembling a compass… I don’t think of that as being a lighthouse, only because it only indicates one direction (the
direction a ship goes to avoid danger, usually…)
Woman with harpsichord?  A very popular subject for 17th Century Dutch paintings, or someone of historical significance from Milwaukee who was known to play a
harpsichord or similar Baroque instrument.
Three who lived there?  Three war heroes, like Wolcott, Mitchell, and Pabst; Or the three original founders, Juneau, Kilbourn, and Walker
The treasure is definitely at the southern foot of something, something Tall (possibly a tree, possibly a tower), and one takes 92 steps in an upward direction to get there…
Finding a Birch tree in Milwaukee is tantamount to finding Beer in Milwaukee– A needle in a stack of needles, in other words.
Step on Nature
Cast in Copper:  not certain, but I found this (who knows? There may be more of them):

Some of us concluded that the lighthouse is the compass because its name is North Point Lighthouse. Compasses point north. It’s a play on words.
We also concluded that “cast in copper” was… well, look the back of any penny minted since 1959, then look at a map of Lake Park and you’ll understand.

I’m not ready to assign it as too obscure.  I’m thinking that traffic lights have a lot to do with the notion of timing and the use of space.  Im thinking that the two lines about distance, time, and space could be traffic light relevant.
Again, not knowing how Preiss knew of Ken Wood or why he would focus on Mitchell Hall, we might not know which information is beyond his reach.  The internet is just as random or good as anyones guessing.

Erexere,
BP did seem to be fond of parks.
If he arrived in Milwaukee looking
for a place to dig, the Lakefront Park
would have been easy to access and
have a lot of city landmarks nearby.
It appears that he wanted to use the
“take-a-walk-along-this-route”  type
of clues for this verse.  Mitchell Hall
was as good a place as any to start.
AP

There seem to be Jewish connections near the location of Mitchell Hall
to the original Milwaukee-Downer College…which maybe explains the
Center for Jewish Studies later being located on Downer Ave. (1997).
AP

Back in the day, before automated traffic signals, police would man the signal post, a semophore, where they would simply judge the traffick and direct or stop the flow as appropriate.  Its as if they were juggling cars.
AP, I have yet to look at the Jewish type connections.  I was getting to that.

Euhirudinea

You’re very welcome. It would appear to be a battle of wills at this point.

…or, a battle of Wells.

Hi everyone!
Let’s take a look at some nice pictures that a wiki reader in Milwaukee was kind enough to send me!
Here’s a nice shot of the Locust Street Trail that goes up East Ravine Road:
That picture was taken near the Hell Stone looking up the trail toward the Hobbit Bridge.
Here’s a closeup of those “wooden” steps that DecibalNYC was telling us about:
Remember: we can’t possibly be descending over “rock and soil’ at this spot because those steps are made of
wood
. Got it? Don’t let your lying eyes deceive you into seeing anything else. (Also, remember that each step needs to have a tread depth of 30 inches to be a “pace.”)
And here’s one of those lampposts near the bottom of the trail:
And I guess that’s about it. Oh wait… what’s that white thing hidden in the weeds?
Why, it appears to be a stump of some kind! But what kind? What kind of tree would have white bark with horizontal black lenticels on it? Anybody know???
It can’t be a birch because, remember: “There is only 1 trail made of paving stones and mud in that park that runs from under a bridge southeast, and at 100 paces ends up at a birch tree. It’s not the Locust Ravine.”
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Go look for your keys under the Lion Bridges. The light is better there, after all.

decibalnyc

I just took photo’s for you of that exact trail…AP posted them as well, there are clearly timbers leading down to the ground there, I’ve walked it, there are 3 wooden footbridges and lots of wooden stairs.

Okay, so the images from Animal Painter are acceptable evidence to you? Then let’s take a closer look.
Here’s the image AP posted of the stairs:
I’ve taken the liberty of enlarging his photo and zooming in on the steps:
Unusual wood you have there in Milwaukee. Very unusual.

Euhirudinea

A “pace” is about 30″. One hundred paces is about 250′, more or less.

Are you thinking BP intended us to take the stairs two at a time? I’d say that any time one is going down a set of stairs, a “pace” is a single step. Someone should go count all those unusual wooden steps on the Locust Street Trail and find out just how far it is from the Hobbit Bridge to the Hell Stone. Keep your eye out for a birch stump along the way.

I know what you’re getting at and that culvert along Ravine Rd. was put in in 1991, I’ve been down that path before…but feel free to explore.

Just a question…if he says Rock and Soil, and you are walking on Wood and Soil, or only concrete, how do you account for that?

There is only 1 trail made of paving stones and mud in that park that runs from under a bridge southeast, and at 100 paces ends up at a birch tree. It’s not the Locust Ravine.

Oregonian

Tjgrey, can you come up with a good nickname for that footbridge? It needs a handle.

Where I see the issue is…
1. Was that Masonic compass there at that time?
2. If it was, would anyone really notice it? Knowing that the lighthouse was there, and knowing it is named the North Point Lighthouse, that would be my first instinct. Compass. “North Point”? Go there.
And knowing that you were looking for potentially clever riddle-like clues, it might even stick out more in your mind as a compass if you were walking it in that mindset. I know I do when I walk around here. Just a thought anyway…
Done. How about “Frodo’s Driveway”?

decibalnyc

I know what you’re getting at and that culvert along Ravine Rd. was put in in 1991, I’ve been down that path before…but feel free to explore.

decibalnyc

Just a question…if he says Rock and Soil, and you are walking on Wood and Soil, or only concrete, how do you account for that?

decibalnyc

There is only 1 trail made of paving stones and mud in that park that runs from under a bridge southeast, and at 100 paces ends up at a birch tree. It’s not the Locust Ravine.

I’m glad
you
understand it, because I have no idea what you’re talking about here.
I think if you check, you’ll find that the steps of the Locust Street Trail are made of rock, while the level stretches between them are made of soil.
Again, I think you are probably mistaken. But we won’t know for sure until someone goes out there and takes the photos.

I just took photo’s for you of that exact trail…AP posted them as well, there are clearly timbers leading down to the ground there, I’ve walked it, there are 3 wooden footbridges and lots of wooden stairs.

Yea, probably you should come count them.

Oregonian

I think you might be taking the lines slightly out of order. If you turn right at the top of the stairs and pass the Masonic compass that was once on the lamppost, you will reach the Ravine Road footbridge. And at the far, northwest corner of the footbridge there’s a culvert that leads down to the Locust Street Trail. (It’s actually an official connection to the trail. I think somewhere on the city website there’s even a map that labels it as a “culvert.”)

Following the verse lines directly in order, you have to pass the compass before you get to the foot of the culvert (presumably at the bottom of the bridge). These directions are so specific (step numbers, tree count, direction…), I would think that a line saying something like “cross the bridge” or “pass the lions” would be there if we were to cross the bridge before getting to the culvert.
Can we verify that the Masonic compass(es) were there in ’81? I think this would answer this…

Unknown

Unknown:
Someone should go count all those unusual wooden steps on the Locust Street Trail and find out just how far it is from the Hobbit Bridge to the Hell Stone.

No need. I can make a reasonable guess from the comfort of my desk. I’ll bet there are about 35-40 (4 runs of 9-10 steps each). The rest of the path is flatish, based on the angle of the railing that you can see from East Ravine Road. Are we supposed to take baby steps there as well? Because if not, we are still about 60-70 feet past the donut when we are done counting out 100 paces. And according to the verse, that’s only where the first tree is supposed to be. We still need to pass three, and then find the PTF, all the while staying west. The only way this works is if we go back along LMD, exactly the way we came. All the while moving further and further away from the donut, which no matter how hard you try, you can’t logically make the dig spot. The math just doesn’t work.

Thank you renovator.
I am done trying to explain why this area does
not fulfill the necessary steps required by the
verse.
Anyone who wants to continue to pursue this
“avenue”……

Yes, I went down there the other day to hopefully put this to rest, but I guess it opened a can of worms. I don’t want to discourage anyone, so yea…feel free to explore this option. Me and AP will be digging holes in a different area when the snow melts though. Also to EVERYONE if you are going to dig in lake park, please make sure you have permission.

Unknown

Unknown:
Thank you renovator.

You’re very welcome. It would appear to be a battle of wills at this point.

A “pace” is about 30″. One hundred paces is about 250′, more or less.
From under the East Ravine Road Bridge, traveling 250′ SE would put you on Lincoln Memorial Drive. From under the North Lion Bridge, traveling 250′ SE would put you about where the clearing starts. In which place are you more likely to find a young tree?

The tree you have marked as 5 is where I dug. I took a “pace” as 36 inches. Across the street is where it took me. I then remembered a conversation I had with the Lake Park Friends. When asking for permission to dig there they said not in the park but the beach side of the street was fair game. So when my paces took me there I thought maybe Preiss knew that as well. So I looked at the trees there and came across that one. I also thought, like rookhunter, there may have been trees removed and this might be our “fifth”. Then I saw the tree up close and thought it looked familiar. That’s why I dug there.

I have never chimed in on this casque because aside from Montreal it is the
last
place I would probably end up(because of distance). However reading the whole thread and saving photos got me thinking about the whole puzzle so here I go
Rook Hunter’s .02 on Milwaukee
It seems the whole area is correct. Forrest and the others were in the right vicinity. So the question is which Proud 5th?
Well it is a tree that is obvious. Nothing else in the vicinity is tall and proud. Not much of anything to be honest. Its not a lamp post or anything else around there but I think the lamp posts are important.
Pass three
might be referring to 3 lamp posts.
Staying west
would indicate the direction.
Once you have direction you can easily count 5. Now I doubt the trees all survived but it looks from the pictures like there would have been room for at least 5 trees.
Ill bet my moustache it’s on those beach trees. Deuce said there was concrete at about 1 1/2 feet  but isn’t that the depth they were found at anyways?

This is a very difficult verse to pin down.  I’m completely baffled by it.
One thing that bothers me about most interpretations is the idea that a proud tall fifth is a tree.  The verse puts us on the subject of birch trees, and passing three (possibly more birch, possibly just something which is “three”), and then a letter from the country / of wonderstone’s hearth / on a proud tall fifth doesn’t exactly inspire the idea of a tree.  The word “ON” suggests the “proud tall fifth” has some kind of thing on it that is important.  Depending on what it is, we aren’t at liberty to decide what association to make.  The word “proud” means a lot more than just being a birch tree.  It may not be a tree at all.  Whatever it is, is it decorated or distinguished in some way?  Is it up on a pedestal or is it like a parent surrounded by many children, bigger taller, than other things in it’s surroundings.  Is it positionally importanted, having several things pointing in it’s direction or some kind of thing which receives homage.
The best attempt to take “proud” into consideration is mention of the lions at the bridges.  I don’t think that’s the right idea, but it was a good try.
My thoughts on linking “fifth” to the status of a 1-star(max 5-star) Brigadier General which is a position of decoration and honor, makes the most sense for being a “proud tall fifth”.  Erastus B. Wolcott and Thaddeus Kosciuszko are the only choices I’m aware of in the Milwaukee area that seem like good options.

-Woman with harpsichord could be referring to Edna Frida Pietsch..Milwaukee’s famous female composer.
http://members.tripod.com/~berceuse/index2.html
-…silently playing could be referring to her grave located in the Wauwatosa Cemetery:
http://128.121.240.77/data/us/wi/milwau … .htm 
which is quite far from Lake Park or Mitchell Hall.

In the quiet of my soul I
Feel the beating of the World.”
–a Community Shabbat Welcome
www.humanisticjews.org/Shabbat_files/co … ome_2.html

1.  So we begin with Mitchell Hall, a 3-story building on the corner of Downer and Kenwood.
2.  We walk towards Lake Park, passing the Lake Park Synagogue at 3207 N Hackett Avenue.
3.  We would need to cross Summit, Shepard, and Marietta.  Could these 3 names be related in some way to “three who lived there”?
Drew

Very nice find Johann
!
It seems to come from the candle lighting ceremony……
———————————————————————————————————————————–
Candle Lighting
Reader 3:                  What is more fragile than the Sabbath flame?
And yet what is more enduring?
A single breath can extinguish its glow,
Yet no storm has ever blown out its light.
All:                          May the lighting of the Shabbat candies remind us
That we are the light bearers,
and to bear our light well we must share our light freely.
All (softly):                In the quiet of my soul I
Feel    the beating of the World.
It is not other than I
nor am I other than it.
As wave is to ocean so am I to
the World
and to the source that sustains it.
—————————————————————————————————————————————————-
So it appears there will probably be a jewish temple/church nearby or possibly within a jewish garden or section of the park a la Greek Cultural Gardens in Cleveland.

I should add that Congregation Emanu-el B’ne Jeshurun was located at 2419 E Kenwood Blvd from 1927 until 1998.  From there you could likely see the 3-story Mitchell Hall at the corner of Kenwood and Downer, and then head further east on Kenwood to reach Lake Park.
Drew

This is written in furtherance of something catherwood mentioned recently on the Image 10 thread.  I suggested Milwaukee, and a link to V8 because of the Mitchell connection.  She commented on Grand Staircase in Lake Park.
Part 1:  From the images I can find, the Grand Staircase has a straight section followed by two opposing semicircles.  From above, the curved sections look like two C’s facing each other.  CC = 200, hence “grand 200”.
Part 2:  Any sort of ordinary steps would have a rise of about 7 inches each.  92 steps of 7 inches apiece adds up to a vertical rise of about 54 feet.  The topo map doesn’t actually show the staircase, but does show the bank that it climbs, and it has 6 closely spaced contour lines.  These are on 10 foot intervals, and therefore show an elevation change of about 50 feet.  Pretty close.
Part 3:  There’s a bridge (…Below the bridge…) about 100 yards from the top of the stairs.  The path (road?) underneath the bridge runs almost directly southeast, and appears on the map to be unpaved (…over rock and soil…).  500 feet (100 paces) southeast down this road gets you out of the woods, where you can notice or count individual trees (…first young birch…).
Part 4:  The park is just a few blocks from the Mitchell Hall that Egbert proposed a long time ago.
I need to figure out how to attach images, don’t I?
Any thoughts?

Yesterday I spoke to a lady with Lake Park. She said there are Birch trees in the park and numerous plaques etc. and a man on a horse statue.

How about world-beating? Champion ?

Champion, I like it. Makes me think of a boxer.
From three who lived there, is very puzzing. Three great historic people in Milwaukee? 3 people from Germany?…leople from three different countries livingnin the same building? A Multicultural site?

As you walk…
…the beating of the world
a) teams playing against each other in some world championship sport? As you walk some baseball field…
b) the conquest of the world, such as Imperialism through military force? As you walk, “swinging you’re arms” make note of something related to a world conflict…
c) like the rains beating down on the lands in a Great Flood, e.g. Noah’s Ark? As you walk an arc path…
d) a kitchen mixer, it whirls (whirled = world) and beats with it’s attachments, specifically the infamous Kenwood? Manufactured in Woking, England, simply walk down Kenwood Ave.
e) a heart, beating, at the center of the globe, a sphere? As you walk with reference to a central point, a locus, get ready to put that drafting compass to work on a map. All points along the arc are equidistant to some locus.
f) a chunk of earth, a mineral, beaten repeatedly by collision with other chunks of mineral in a tumbling rock polisher? The rocks are turned in a circle, like a juggler passing balls in a circle…
Who likes any of these? Any others to add?

A military pace (and they know something about pacing and marching) is usually 30 inches.

erexere

Fifth…5 somethings.

I know it’s been mentioned already but do we really not think that the casque is at the “southern foot” of the “fifth” proud lion statue? There are eight of them there what else in this park has a “foot”.
pack of lions a pride, also mentioned, Where the term “proud lion” comes from.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Stone_Lions
Is one of the statues standing or higher than the others?
Probably the point where we need to walk under the bridge.

you cant dig at the wisconsin club cause its a private gated club with security. i asked for a tour, they ignored me.

jayheedan1

I realize you made this post awhile ago but I didn’t see it answered. Probably has been somewhere in this massive cluster of a thread, seems like everything’s been explored.
I would interpret:
At a distance in time
From three that lived here
As three people back in time from Priess’ Current year he was there. “Aka the the prominent citizens of Milwaukee’s past for which the streets were named.
At a distance in space
From lady with harpsichord
Meaning we need to travel to a different spacial location than the vicinity of the Mitchell building. Ie walk to Marietta street

i already explained all this. ie the path from mitchell hall to lp. still working on from wcc, i have up to grace appell. i also have the path to lincoln park mapped out.

Awilson

Hello first time post i’ve been trying to figure out for a few weeks after i seen expedition unknown and thought it was cool good luck to you all but first get all the clues from the pic and then it will lead you to the treasure ?
remember he needed to know how to get back to the treasure himself but unfortunately he passsed away.. but the clues and pics was not only for the reader but also for him lol not a good investment if you hide it from yourself..
Ok.. here’s a clue to put all you folks on the right track C-7 the north point lighthouse is behind the right steeple of city hall (can anyone see it ?)
i think i have some good places to look but i got to visit hometown soon
i got a bigger clue that everyone missed that will blow everyones mind
!
one more ? M-2 there is a pic of a woman in the ladies right sleeve find out who she is and we will get closer …

you realize we already solved this right? its at the foot of the water tower. which is on the right hand edge of the image.
i dont see the north point lighthouse up there at all, not even subtly in the shadows.
i had the face as the immigrant mother in cathedral square…designed by the croation guy that made the statue in grant park of the native guy on the horse.
funded by bruce and located outside the st john the evangelist church.
i dont think this gets you much closer to the treasure though…
the church is connected to the lp fb.

JoshCornell

i already explained all this. ie the path from mitchell hall to lp. still working on from wcc, i have up to grace appell. i also have the path to lincoln park mapped out.

Not sure I follow what you’re saying…I was just offering an insight to erexere as to why Priess used the words at a distance in time / space. If you answered that I guess I missed you post.

i did.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7292&p=142087&hilit=milwaukee#p142087

If we follow the pattern that we have seen each image will have images that track along the path of the verse or put us in the city and one (1)picture identifier at the actual dig site. In this case the woman’s face same as lions face.
The Chicago find – the three poled fence post
The Cleveland find – the planter wall

Egbert

I think the 200 degrees is just a coincidence – just like the 130 degrees over Lincoln’s shoulder in Chicago was a coincidence (10 x 13). The wording of the verse “after climbing the grand 200” doesn’t quite jibe with 200 degrees after ascending the 92 steps.
As for the fact that you don’t see the lighthouse/compass from the top of the steps, I do not think you are necessarily supposed to see it. My guess is that BP described the lighthouse by calling it a compass (the Northpoint lighthouse), and that you are supposed to figure out that you must go past it by traveling south/southwest from the top of the stairs, even though you cannot see it. These clues are supposed to be somewhat difficult, so he wants you to at least look around and figure out that you must go in that direction in order to “pass” it. If he describes everything you can see as you walk the trail, it would be too easy.

I feel what Preiss was saying iabout the lighthouse was the perimeter or boundry of the compass, marked by the two bridges that have the lions on them
com·pass
ˈkəmpəs/Submit
noun
3.
the range or scope of something.
synonyms: scope, range, extent, reach, span, breadth, ambit, limits, parameters, bounds
“faith cannot be defined within the compass of human thought”

erexere

I’ve been thinking much on this verse this week. I want to be careful to inspect each line for possible meanings, rather I don’t want to carelessly brush aside a valuable instruction/inspiration.
How is “viewing” of the three stories of Mitchell essential to getting us closer to the casque? Firstly, I noticed the Wisconsin Club has it’s ground floor and two floors above that, making for three stories, but there’s an observation tower and flagpole that effectively stacks two more levels higher, making it 5 stories all together. I think it later becomes important when we look at the proud, tall fifth with a sense of observation for what’s being held even higher. That may be the key to linking some visual component(s) in image 10 to a good dig spot.
I’ve also been working out the justification for the lines “at a distance in time” and “at a distance in space”.

I realize you made this post awhile ago but I didn’t see it answered. Probably has been somewhere in this massive cluster of a thread, seems like everything’s been explored.
I would interpret:
At a distance in time
From three that lived here
As three people back in time from Priess’ Current year he was there. “Aka the the prominent citizens of Milwaukee’s past for which the streets were named.
At a distance in space
From lady with harpsichord
Meaning we need to travel to a different spacial location than the vicinity of the Mitchell building. Ie walk to Marietta street

jayheedan1

I know it’s been mentioned already but do we really not think that the casque is at the “southern foot” of the “fifth” proud lion statue? There are eight of them there what else in this park has a “foot”.
.

Before I get attacked, to be clear, I don’t mean to dig at the base of any of the lion statutes but we should be able to see the lion from down in the ravine at the dig spot.

If an average pace is four feet, 100 paces is 400 ft from whichever of those lion statues on that southern bridge have a culvert. Is that rock path under that bridge wonderstone pebbles? The end that rock path is a “c” shape towards the southeast. There’s something in the circle at the end of the path anyone been there? With pictures to share?
Would be nice if that was a fire pit area would be an easy verse fit for earth letter, wonderstone and hearth.

Hello first time post i’ve been trying to figure out for a few weeks after i seen expedition unknown and thought it was cool good luck to you all but first get all the clues from the pic and then it will lead you to the treasure ?
remember he needed to know how to get back to the treasure himself but unfortunately he passsed away.. but the clues and pics was not only for the reader but also for him lol not a good investment if you hide it from yourself..
Ok.. here’s a clue to put all you folks on the right track C-7 the north point lighthouse is behind the right steeple of city hall (can anyone see it ?)
i think i have some good places to look but i got to visit hometown soon
i got a bigger clue that everyone missed that will blow everyones mind
!
one more ? M-2 there is a pic of a woman in the ladies right sleeve find out who she is and we will get closer …

In trying to make sense of the words “proud tall”…I Googled them..
and found the words “proud tall” used in reference
to the chestnut tree (recently saved from destruction)
written about in “The Diary of Anne Frank”.
I do not know if it is just the author of the article using those
words, or if it is quoting from Anne Frank’s own words.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/no … ndworldwar
Does anyone have a copy of that book …?
Apparently, Anne Frank made several references to this tree.
I do not know if she used the descriptives…”proud tall” in her diary.
As a literary man, BP may have given us a literary reference to
the type of tree that we should look for. (chestnut or horse chestnut?)
The pamphlet, “Lake Park Trees” says that there are several “horse chestnut”
trees in the park, planted in the early years…That would make them
proud and tall
by now!
I wonder if any of the trees in the South ravine are (or were
) chestnut trees?
AP

A few thoughts I thought I’d share:
I was just reading some and read, “The bridge spans were composed of six large steel arches. The two hinged arches were designed to carry live loads of 100 pounds pwe square foot. Each arch was connected with 16 decorative cross struts to the other five arches in the span.”
Naturally, “… five arches…” caught my attention, and so I reread and noticed “strut”.
On a proud, tall fifth
The two best definitions for strut are something that is either proud and/or tall, no? Not that I think it is on the fifth strut or anything, just pondering
that darn fifth!

Unknown

Unknown:
When harpsichord and clavichord building in the United States was revived in the 1930s, it was due mainly to a pair of Dolmetsch’s disciples, John Challis and Julius Wahl.  Challis learned the craft of harpsichord and clavichord making in Haslemere and on his return to his native Michigan in 1931, began to build them.

421, I like that link to struts.  I will continue to consider it.  Not ruling it out yet.
Here’s an idea I have about the line “from woman, with harpsichord”.  In an abstract way it fits to the street Marietta ave.  What if it’s also a way of using a map of the city to draw a straight line along Marietta extending beyond Locust and into a small cross section of Lake Park along Wahl street?  I was curious to see if the name Wahl had any link to harpsichords, since the idea of taking the line “from woman” sufficed for that part of the line I wondered if something else connected to the “with harpsichord” part such as a Harp Street lamp or something.  The street name seemed like a prime choice given the names of streets are already in the works.  So here’s what I found in The Harpsichord and Clavichord: An Encyclopedia:
Here’s the line extending from Marietta,
I want to add that the name Challis reminds me of the word calice which could mean either “a cup” or “silence”.

GoldenMartyr

I am becoming increasingly convinced that each end spot will be manipulated in some way based on instructions or a theme in their respective puzzle.

Would be good to look at other verses and see how this repeats.
I’m also interested in doing a bit more linguistic analysis of the verses. The word choice seems very (I mean overly) deliberate. If you look at the verses, there is a rhyming structure in them, but it’s often shifted (every line rather than every second line) or broken (1 or more lines that don’t rhyme). As a writer, you have a pretty good choice of words to begin with (i.e. giant, huge, massive, etc.), but as a puzzle maker, you have to make the pieces fit. The more pieces you cram in, the more spaces left over that require a certain piece to fit. Preiss would have been limited along the way and potentially stuck using certain words in certain places, and would need to break things like rhyme, meter, or even potentially having to repeat words. Try and make one of these puzzles for yourself, and you will start to see where things have to be, and words have to be used. Then you start to see what’s important… these aberrant words or structures.
When it comes to hiding distances like GM’s 3 foot distance… they need to be hidden, but not needle in a haystack hidden, so it makes sense that you repeat the word a few times and it would start to pop in a reader’s mind. It’s easier to find a needle in a haystack when the stack is 20% needles…
I’m also interested in looking at words that seem to be unusual to use in a definite set of directions, in particular “Or” (used twice in the Charleston verse, and also in NY and Roanoak), and “If” Boston verse 3. Why use these words if you are trying to direct people, show people markers, etc.? Seems strange language to use in the context that it is used. There may be another reason why he’s using such language, and it may be important to working the puzzle.
Will be interesting to see where this line of thinking goes GM.
XdM

I believe there is definitely more to be found and or shared. St. Augustine provides a plain as day acrostic… SELOY… yet super vague dig instructions,
At the base of a tall tree
…but wait, look at the first letters of the dig instruction line. AT BOAT T. Clever, an obvious acrostic hints at a less obvious one.

No, no Durian. That type of thinking is not at all the same.

Dang, those steps get gianter and gianter! It was 10 yards a few days ago.

Durian

Why not?

The
two
examples that I shared are contained within the puzzle. They require one to decipher them, not guess.
My first example –
Three foot distance
– repeated words seem out of place – when combined, repeated words show dig instruction distance from
southern foot
My second example – clear acrostic in last 5 lines of v9 – SELOY – notice vague dig instructions –
A
t
T
he
B
ase
O
f
A
T
all
T
ree
– Wait, there is another acrostic, fun!(I wish that I could flip that last T for you)
Durian’s example – Giant appears twice, starting consecutive lines – There is a book about a giant called
Gulliver’s Travels
– The book explains how Gulliver estimates the distance of a giant’s stride. – each step except the first is random. You choose a book based on a single word then proceed to choose a random portion of the book with no direction to do so.
Could Giant and Giant be another clue, yes absolutely. Giant + Giant = Giants – SF has a baseball team called
The Giants
– a pole in baseball is a bat – a step is to steal – look for a steel bat.
The above Giant example is only there to show logical progression vs random. I am not saying we should be looking for a steel bat, although, please check it out if you happen to find one. Also, a good way to call out a book is to use a quote, which Byron does in The Secret.
Hope that helps!

If you are looking for a way to measure a pole and a step, Wouldnt it be easier to say: “a pole and a step are units of Roman measurement”
Then use those measurements?

what if the whole thing is some kind of twisted word play and we should actually be looking for a Giant steeple -step+pole. Hence the meaning of the backwards G on the robe and the religious blue outlining in the image?

Should this discussion of poles and giant steps be moved to verse 7 before it overwhelms verse 8?

animal painter

Should this discussion of poles and giant steps be moved to verse 7 before it overwhelms verse 8?

So sorry.

animal painter

Should this discussion of poles and giant steps be moved to verse 7 before it overwhelms verse 8?

Welcome to post EU secret. Where everything’s made up and the numbers dont matter
:p

Glossiphoniidae

…just thought the proud tall fifth made sense as identifying the lion bridge (as it was 1 of Sanne’s 4 and 1 of 5 total, making it a “proud” fifth), maybe. I am unable to accommodate verse 8 with any other bridge.

I’m coming round to Stercox’s idea that the second part of the verse describes a north-south trek along one of the lion bridge ravines.
The foot of the culvert
Below the bridge
The north end of one of the ravines that pass under the bridge
Walk 100 paces
Southeast over rock and soil
To the first young birch
Start walking along the ravine; the current shortage of birch trees is a bit of a downer, though we don’t know exactly what BP saw.
Pass three, staying west
I used to think of this as a change of direction, but I now think of continuing in the same southeast direction along the ravine, passing a three of some kind and staying west of them.
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
On a proud, tall fifth
Either the bridge or a birch or something else.
At its southern foot
The treasure waits
Either the southern foot of this thing (eg the bridge, the tree, or whatever), or the southern foot of the ravine, matching the northern foot where the hike started. (“It” would be referencing “the culvert below the bridge” earlier in the verse.)
So I was back to thinking about which of the two lion-bridge ravines this might be, and looking for double-arch shapes in the image to represent this double bridge. The most obvious one is the sleeves.
(“Tall proud fifth”…five fingers indicating which of the two ravines to choose…? Possible arch/bridge-confirmer between thumb and index finger. The other three fingers could represent the three that you pass.)
One of the sleeves is slightly wider than the other, as in the alternative double-arch of Milwaukee City Hall. (I wonder if one of the bridge arches is wider…?)
The rock edge below them is a bit ravine-like.
The collar could also indicate the arch of a bridge, with the gem beside it.
At the moment I’m thinking some kind of overlooked pattern in the image might pinpoint a spot beside the bridge or elsewhere along one of those two ravines.

varin

Here’s the pics…
http://www.varin.org/gallery/LakePark

Does anyone have these pics?
I noticed some of these older ones are starting to disappear. I don’t mind storing pics in my personal hard drives or we could make a community Flickr account, I hear they give a TB now.

thanks typler , i was only half joking, because these are riddles, right? and he could have put the kidney and the fifth together, lol
i just don’t think he hid the casques under a tree (just my opinion guys, don’t jump me!!). the two found ones were behind some monument, weren’t they? even tho he  used trees to get to the site. and i love the D animal painter found, but i think it’s just a pointer to the location, maybe.
i found some great pictures of the lion bridge and (with my imagination)  i can see the profile of the lion at the end of the cloak on the right (in the image)
here are some pictures:
http://www.lakeparkfriends.com/images/e … ion2LG.jpg
his paws are great!!
http://www.lakeparkfriends.com/images/e … idgeLG.jpg
http://flickr.com/photos/35418314@N00/4 … otostream/
the lion’s mouth reminds me of the mouth in the image, so solemn, and look at the one of the lion facing east.
i would concentrate on the lion bridges or erastus’s statue

There are 4 features of the cape in image 10 that will probably
be significant visual clues to denote an important “tree”.
Knowing that there could have been a good deal of artistic license
taken in the execution of the painting from the photos, it is hard to say
just how accurate the illustation of the similarities is.
I like the fact that the “gouge” in the cape edge does seem to give
the impression of a knothole.  There is a distinct “bump” on the outer edge.
And one of the top “branches” at the “neck” on the cape, appears to be
“sawed off” straight.
The 4th feature is, of course, the “foot”.
You must admit, this does look like a tree.
I should have put this under “Image 10” thread…but it could not be deleted…

Slappy,
As nice as it would be to be able to dig by the Lion Bridge,
the verse just doesn’t lead us there.
The only other wall that is remotely possible to consider,
is the wall that forms the base of the Grand Staircase.
AP

If it makes you pee, it affects the kidneys.  A fifth is also 25.59 fl.oz, which I know from experience  that drinking all at once will affect every internal organ in the body.  Part of what the kidneys do, apart from filtering minerals, is to regulate the process of metabolizing gluscose, which would definitely include alcohol…

AP,
the word “proud” is what  leads me to the lion bridge…as in “a pride of lions”
and how solemn the person is in the image and the lions have the same look and the profile of the lion at the end of the cloak
but
if you find it under the tree, then i’ll be so happy for you, it won’t bother me a bit to have been wrong
it won’t be the first time, lol

Pass the compass and reach
The foot of the culvert
Below the bridge
Walk 100 paces
Southeast over rock and soil
To the first young birch
Pass three, staying west
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
On a proud, tall fifth
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/a … -to-.shtml
Except for Typler, no one has said how they have determined the 100 paces.  If I may assume…. (uh oh), that after you pass the light house, you reach the end of the pipe in the revine under the bridge (pipe/culvert).  From there, you walk SE through the revine for 100 paces (about 300 feet) to the first young birch.  (walking over rock and soil, i assume once again, that you would be taking baby steps and cut the 300 to 150 feet or roughly 40 to 50 yds)
Now, pass three?  Or have we passed three of
whatever
already within the 100 paces?  So now we have to also assume that the “D” tree is west of the path we have been walking SE on.  Animal Painter, are you suggesting that at the southern foot of this tree the casque is buried, or should I just stick to V10 and let you guys hash this out?  (;D just Boogie being Boogie again)

I don’t remember this being mentioned before….
If you Google “tall fifth,” you’ll see that it is a common term for an overdrive gear. At least, that’s what I deduced (I know nothing about cars!)
I don’t suppose that there is a proud overdrive gear sitting around Lake Park, but I thought I’d share it. Personally, I like the idea that the proud fifth is the “d”

Another possible interpretation:
Pass the compass and reach
The foot of the culvert
Below the bridge
—PAUSE—
Walk 100 paces
Southeast over rock and soil
To the first young birch—PAUSE—-
Pass three, staying west
Three what? Maybe it’s BRIDGES.
There are five large bridges in Lake Park. Four were designed by the same person.
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
On a proud, tall fifth
Maybe Preiss meant the fifth BRIDGE. Proud can also mean conspicuous, prominent, or even swollen–bloated–protruding.  Maybe one of the bridges fits that description?
Just pondering.

Shecrab,
Here is a photo of the base of the Lion nearest
to the cape tree.  As you can see, it is in sad shape.
I cannot tell what is around the base, because the
ice is too thick to break through.
You can also see the steepness of the ground leading
down to the ravine. (where the wood rail bridge is)
BP took the easy route to the North Lion bridge base,
by entering the other ravine at the West end, where many
steps take you down under the bridges gradually.
AP

Oh, very very cool, AP!!! Thanks for that pic, it cleared up the whole thing for me….
Now…
WHICH one of the lion’s FEET is nearest the south or pointing to the south?  I think he may have meant at it’s LITERALLY southern
FOOT!
That cape tree–I had no idea it was right there. I agree, you’ve nailed it.
Nice job!!
The lion bridge makes perfect sense: PROUD = Pride (of lions, like Slappy said!)
Tall fifth = tall fifth bridge
Southern foot = the southern foot of the lion itself
So to my way of thinking the verse should read:
Pass three, staying west. (Period)
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth. (PERIOD to end the sentence here!)
On a proud, tall fifth(comma)
At its southern foot(comma)
The treasure awaits.
That’s how I am reading it, and it just seems that what you’ve found confirms it!
I can’t wait for the thaw!

AP,
If you DO hit something with your probe, may I suggest wiggling it back and forth, to sort of scrape the surface of what you’re touching– You should notice a  vast difference  between ordinary tree roots, big rocks, and plastic… The “hollow” sound can be very misleading as Egbert ran into trouble with that concept.

Thanks for the input!
I am so eager to dig…
but we are still under ice and snow.
“Patience is a virtue,
posses it if you can.
Seldom found in woman,
and never found in man.”
(just teasing, guys…)
AP

animal painter

Here is a photo to show you the location of the
cape-tree in relationship to the ravine (culvert).
The ground on the side of the “m” bridge is very steep.
(The “m” bridge is the South Lion bridge.)
The wood-railed-foot-bridge that you see in the lower
left is at the bottom of the ravine (culvert) which
runs underneath the m-bridge.
The 100 paces are taken under the North Lion Bridge.

Heck of a job!  Thanks for the info.  I hope you have lots of help.  It looks pretty steep, but I don’t think the casque could have shifted downhill too far.  Dig sideways into the mountain.
(and hurry up.
)

‘”Men have zero patience,”
A woman once said to me,
No snow between the Bed and Stove,
Is why women never ski!’
I am JUST KIDDING also!  I made that up as a retort to your insulting poetry AP! (I’m not insulted, nor am I sexist, so please don’t take offense in any way!
If anyone IS offended, let me apologize for doing so.

Wonderstones hearth?
http://www.lakeparkfriends.org/brick_arch_bridge.asp

Was wondering where you were, fox. That site has some great pictures of the Lion Bridges.

“Remember, remember the fifth of November,
gunpowder, treason and plot, “
these are the first two lines of a rhyme for Guy Fawkes Day aka The Gunpowder Plot
Now….back to:
such a lovely statue of Erastus B. Wolcott sitting tall atop his proud horse named Gunpowder.
anything around Gunpowder’s southern foot?

There you go, tossing wrenches in our pretty little theories again, Fox.

not really…still in the same general (no pun intended) vacinity…. i just stopped off at the statue instead of continuing into the trees.

ummm…check this out.
from the url above….it says when talking about the stolen eagles: “They were removed by vandals and only the inscriptions and the logos on its pillars remain. It has been necessary to replace the original bronze letters fastened to the pedestal with an engraved version of the dedication: “
necessary to replace the bronze LETTERS put there by Francis Packer.  upon doing a little digging on this sculptor I found:
“reveal that Francis Herman Packer sculpted this “portrait statue;” working in a studio in New York. Packer was a native of Munich, Germany.”
you will see a letter from the country of wonderstone’s hearth.
sidenote……Herman…. hehehe.  Are all of the puzzles interlocked somehow?

Don’t get fooled by the overhead views–the distances are not that great.  You can easily see the Lighthouse from the area of the stairs, it still barely clears the tree line
in winter
, but you can see it.  There are very few other structures in the this area.  There is the General Wolcott statue on your way if you take the path to cross the Lion Bridge.  Varin took some nice shots of this.  There is nothing about the statue mentioned in the verse and it is a good solid landmark.  Why is it not used in the verse??  I asked myself this very question and my answer was because you needed to pass the compass a different way.  Don’t take the bridge.  Take the Golf course way.  And  if you do—Wolcott would not be on the route (you wouldn’t see it and why its not mentioned in the verse)  that takes you to the ravine trail heads near Lake Drive.  And that’s where we found the Girl Scout marker, and it started falling into place.  This whole verse–if we’re right– is a nice 1-2 mile hike from Mitchell to tree.

stercox

Nice overhead shots!  Need to relabel it, though.  The “Girl Scout”ravine is not the ravine you have labeled. Moving from the stairs back toward the lighthouse you will come across three different ravines– they ALL run SE.  The park is bending into the narrower end of the park in the area of the Lion Bridge and lighthouse.  The first ravine is that just south of the parking lot, it has no significant bridges, some trail bridges but that is all, it is of no consequence (you have labeled it as the Girl Scout ravine, its not).  Focus on the Lighthouse and the Lion Bridge.  The configuration looks like this:
Lincoln Memorial Drive
Stairs                                       1   2     3     4     5*
.                                  t    t     t     t      T
.
.                 E                                  E
.
.          N                                  N
.       ————-Lion Bridge——————-
.          I                                   I
.
.          V                                  V
.
.         A             LH                 A
.
.          R                                  R
…..>                                        GS marker
1                                   2
Lake Drive
The Lion bridge passes over both ravines.  The LightHouse splits them.  I have written the word ravine to indicate the downhill direction of the ravines as they spill out at the bottom toward Lincoln Memorial Drive.  The inclincation is to pass the Compass by going over the bridge.  But that is the wrong direction.  You actually travel parallel to ravine 1 next to the golf course, passing the compass on your way to get to the trail head of ravine 1 near Lake Drive (expand your overhead to include this area).  You need to take the trail TO REACH THE FOOT OF THE CULVERT BELOW THE BRIDGE.  You will come out of ravine 1 (after 100 paces) into a flat grassy area between the ravines and Linconl Memorial Drive.  You travel west (right) toward ravine 2 (this is the Girl Scout trail).  The Girl Scout marker I found for this trail is at the trail head of Ravine 2.  Our beloved trees are just out side the ravines, between ravine 1 and 2.  Your only other option to get to the foot of the culvert is to slide down the ravine slope and it is very steep.  I think he wants us to take the trail starting at the head (at Lake Drive) and moving to the foot (at Lincoln Memorial Dr).  It meets every requirement.  All in favor??

Stercox, let’s see if I am following you on this:
1.  In your diagram above, we follow the dotted line from the stairs to where the “1” and the “R” is.
2.  Travel along “1 R A V I N E”, which is a southeast direction.
3.  The “E” at the end of “1RAVINE” is the foot of the culvert below the bridge.
Now, here is where I have questions (assuming I am correct on the path so far).  Let’s take a look at the verse:
After climbing the grand 200
Pass the compass and reach
The foot of the culvert
Below the bridge
Walk 100 paces
Southeast over rock and soil
To the first young birch
Apparently, once you are at “the foot of the culvert below the bridge,” you then need to “walk 100 paces southeast over rock and soil to the first young birch.”
1.  If you now have to walk southeast, doesn’t that take you out of your diagram?  I think it goes towards the highway.  Are there any trees between the foot of the culvert and the highway?
2.  Are you walking over both rock and soil?
3.  Isn’t the girlscout marker northwest (i.e., back up Ravine2)?
4.  Are none of those 5 trees birch?

Unknown

Unknown:
I believe there may have been another marker like this on a tree at the other end of the Girl Scout ravine

Great job stercox,
Looking forward to your pictures.  Yesterday I had a hang-up about the interpretation of the lighthouse as the compass.  In my haste I had missed the fact that it is called the North Point Lighthouse.  I think you’re right.
Some questions:  Is is reasonable that by
“pass the compass”
, he meant to stay on the road and continue over the first Lion Bridge and
pass the lighthouse
to the second bridge?  Then get down into the
culvert
below this (the second, southernmost)
bridge
, where your GS marker is.  Then walk
100 paces SE
down Ravine #2, and you get right to your row of 5 trees, but this time the
first one
reached is the one you have labelled as #5.  You
pass the next 3
, moving roughly NE and
staying west
of Lincoln, and then get to the
fifth
— the one you have as #1.  This is, I think, the one about which you said:
If this marker did exist, it could of course be the letter (G???) that we’re looking for, and if this is reasonable, that could mean that the casque is at the southern foot of tree #1.
Not trying to be difficult.  Just working out theory stuff.
Pine

Egbert – The Lion’s bridge is near the lighthouse. I think it must be one due south of the lighthouse on our Terraserver map. Varin’s files contain a postcard that shows it from that angle.
As for the compass… I realize this is a recent photo, but in it the flowers in the CC are arranged in such a way as to resemble a compass. I wonder what it looked like in 1982…
In any case, one would already have had to pass the CC before encountering the compass, so maybe this doesn’t matter.

Unknown

Unknown:
In my haste I had missed the fact that it is called the North Point Lighthouse.

I can’t believe I didn’t get that. Sometimes I wonder why I bother…

This area is very hard to conceptualize–I can see it in  3D because I’ve been there.  I’ll try.  Coming from the stairs you see the lighthouse off in the distance to your left.  If you walk in that direction you see the Lion Bridge crossing the ravines, but you don’t go over the bridge.  Instead you travel parallel to Ravine 1 toward Lake Drive.  You find the trail head with stairs and path leading down into ravine 1.  You are now traveling SE through the ravine (the whole ravine is SE).  You are descending into the base of ravine 1, and traveling now toward the Lake.  The Northpoint Lighthouse is now to your right.  The Lion Bridge is in front of you.  When you reach the area under the bridge you continue SE and downhill 100 paces.  At 100 paces you are now outside the ravine in a grassy apron that stretches before you about 50 feet to Lincoln Memorial Drive.  Just as you come out of the ravine, in this grassy area,  there is a prominent tree right there.  That would be the first young birch.  Directly to your right (west) are 4 other prominent trees.  You would pass the trees 2,3, and 4 (pass three)  to reach Tree number 5 (the proud tall fifth).  This is the biggest of the trees in this copse.  It is the tree found just outside ravine 2 (the Girl Scout ravine).  It would be the tree a girl scout marker would be on if ravine 2’s trail was marked on both ends by such markers.  There are no other trees in this grassy area that could be mistaken for the 5 trees. My friend thinks that maybe these could be birches, I showed her the leaves I took.  They are very mature trees and the bark may reflect the age of the trees and look different than typical birch bark.  Blight–Does this give you enough info to recreate the area in topigraphical view??

“At a distance in space”
This to me is similar to the phrase
in verse two “near this site”
Meaning it is note worthy to verification
of the site, but not necessary in using it
as a landmark to guide by.
Anyway, to find the lady silently playing,
I would reccommend looking at 700 North Water Street.
A little ways away from the Park, but in a direct straight line
to Ravine Road.
This is the home to the Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra.
Known for their music and their ballets, they also have an extensive
art musuem which I would suspect would over flow onto a courtyard of sorts.
The real art gallery in this city has under gone major renvoations recently.
I have seen no mention of a pianist on what I have searched, but if it would
be anywhere in this area, it would be here.  And the longevity of the space
would satisfy the hunts general criteria.

Unknown

Unknown:
Blight–Does this give you enough info to recreate the area in topigraphical view??

I’m on it. May take me a few hours, but keep checking back.
Go Bucks!

Nice overhead shots!  Need to relabel it, though.  The “Girl Scout”ravine is not the ravine you have labeled. Moving from the stairs back toward the lighthouse you will come across three different ravines– they ALL run SE.  The park is bending into the narrower end of the park in the area of the Lion Bridge and lighthouse.  The first ravine is that just south of the parking lot, it has no significant bridges, some trail bridges but that is all, it is of no consequence (you have labeled it as the Girl Scout ravine, its not).  Focus on the Lighthouse and the Lion Bridge.  The configuration looks like this:
Lincoln Memorial Drive
Stairs                                      1  2    3    4    5*
.                                  t    t    t    t      T
.
.                E                                  E
.
.          N                                  N
.      ————-Lion Bridge——————-
.          I                                  I
.
.          V                                  V
.
.        A            LH                A
.
.          R                                  R
…..>                                        GS marker
1                                  2
Lake Drive
The Lion bridge passes over both ravines.  The LightHouse splits them.  I have written the word ravine to indicate the downhill direction of the ravines as they spill out at the bottom toward Lincoln Memorial Drive.  The inclincation is to pass the Compass by going over the bridge.  But that is the wrong direction.  You actually travel parallel to ravine 1 next to the golf course, passing the compass on your way to get to the trail head of ravine 1 near Lake Drive (expand your overhead to include this area).  You need to take the trail TO REACH THE FOOT OF THE CULVERT BELOW THE BRIDGE.  You will come out of ravine 1 (after 100 paces) into a flat grassy area between the ravines and Linconl Memorial Drive.  You travel west (right) toward ravine 2 (this is the Girl Scout trail).  The Girl Scout marker I found for this trail is at the trail head of Ravine 2.  Our beloved trees are just out side the ravines, between ravine 1 and 2.  Your only other option to get to the foot of the culvert is to slide down the ravine slope and it is very steep.  I think he wants us to take the trail starting at the head (at Lake Drive) and moving to the foot (at Lincoln Memorial Dr).  It meets every requirement.  All in favor??

Also, if you take the trail head, you will pass the compass again BEFORE reaching the foot of the culvert below the bridge.  I will try to get my scanner up and running and get pictures loaded and labeled and try to put a nice portfolio together for us soon.  In the overheads–Look for the bridge they lie right over the ravines–You may be able to see the trees as grey dots.  Look at a girl scout symbol and tell me if you think it reminds you of someone??

One last thing.  The building at the top of the Grand Staircase is The Lake Park Bistro–French Country cuisine and a Milwaukee 4 star–great place for dinner BTW.

Okay, here we go. Stercox, do these match your recollection?
The full map:
http://www.geocities.com/quantpsy/trove/map_with_text2.gif

Although I’ve had fun thinking about it I’m really annoyed how obscure fw,wh seems to be.

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Published July 10, 2004 at 5:24 a.m.
Lawn bowling has long tradition at Lake Park
By Bobby Tanzilo
A fixture in the Lake Park for more than three-quarters of a century, lawn bowling is still going strong in the East Side’s best park.
Similar to Italy’s bocce and France’s boules, Lawn Bowling came to Milwaukee in 1919, four years after the American Lawn Bowls Association was founded in Buffalo, N.Y. A group of Scots and English men established the Milwaukee Lawn Bowling Association in Wauwatosa before relocating to Lake Park in 1920, where the group has remained ever since. Sharing their two pitches of well-tended grass is the Lake Park Lawn Bowling League.
The game has continually enjoyed popularity in Milwaukee and Lake Park even hosted the sport’s National Open Tournament in 1980.
If you’d like to give it a whirl, head over to Lake Park every day (except Monday) at 1:15 p.m or Wednesdays at 7 p.m. Players will be pleased to teach you the basics and lend you some equipment (be sure to wear flat-soled shoes). If the relaxing, but very competitive, sport tickles your fancy, you can join one of the league’s teams.
The Lake Park Lawn Bowling League’s pitch and office are located just a few yards northwest of the Lake Park Pavilion. For more information on Lake Park Lawn Bowling call (414) 961-9851.
So… as we are at the Pavillion, do we walk past the Lawn Bowling our first encounter
with the clues (as was done on MOnday and prior by Varin)
or do we orient ourselves and set the Lawn Bowling (in the image) as being NorthWest
and look for the jewel South East (right and down) from the Pavillion as is the orientation
in the image.
Admittingly, the LightHouse is the good candidate for the compass.  Just trying to eliminate
all other possiblities..

So we should reanalyze from
“Ascend the 92
after climbing the Grand 200″
We have walked aproximately a straightline
from Mitchell and then up the most famous
structure of the Park.
which now leaves us to…
a compass and a culvert.
Culvert
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A culvert is a structure used to enclose a flowing body of water. It may be used to allow water to pass underneath a road, railway, or embankment for example.
The culvert itself is the conduit through which the flow passes. Culverts can be made of many different materials. Steel and Concrete are the two most common.
If lawn bowling is in the image, what is to the right (East)
of here ?  (we know what is West)

Some pictures…

More pictures…

Even
more
pictures…

Oops.  Sorry, Fox — I forgot that you had posted that previously.  Well, hopefully it is NOT in Atlanta, because that would mean that 2 of our current 13 possible locations are wrong.
(Chicago, Cleveland, Boston, New Orleans, Charleston, San Francisco, North Carolina, Florida, New York City, Houston, Salt Lake City, St. Louis, Canada)

Verse 7 is connected to New Orleans,
Audubon Park.

No verse 7 the one thats is goes along with the San Francisco.

This statue of Kosciuszko facing Lincoln St. could be in a park having birch.  Congress awarded him citizenship and the rank of brigadier general which is considered a 1-star general.  General as a rank has 1-5 stars, so this general would be a 1/5 or “fifth”.
The marble pedestal might be the object of wonderstone’s hearth.  It’s coloration is also similar to the background of Image 10.
The immediate surrounding shape of the seating and walkways looks very similar to the “mecca” design of the woman’s collar. Here I’ve rotated a cross section and pasted it over itself.  Sorry it’s not too clean looking but you get the idea.

Deuce

I understand your reasoning. When I go up there I won’t have a ton of time to try out every single idea. I just want to make sure any theory put forth is a real possibility before I trek around the whole city and waste time. Like I said before, when I go it will be for pictures and probing. Then based on anything found I might set up a dig later. Maybe (hopefully) I will find something and we can set somehing up.

absolutely!
This is an unusual theory for me and I end up tossing out a lot of my old ideas which have a tendency of breaking from tradition.  This theory follows the Chicago and Cleveland methodology which is an unexpected surprise for me.
1. Identify a key perspective: start at Mitchell Hall
2. Follow general directions, pass or cross when instructed, if something seems indicated by verse or image it could indicate a turn or change in direction.
3. Look for the primary visual reference
4. Consider all the options and verse for orientation on the casque location
The image has a woman with hands gestering to the left of frame and her face is turned to the right of frame with the belfry and dome high in the back-upper-right side of frame.  I think the primary reference is the tree in her cape and when standing at that tree there are just two main points of reference, the cap of Kosciuszko to the west and the bell of the belfry of St. Josaphat to the east.