12 - New york - Shhh! The Secret Podcast
In the shadow
Of the grey giant
Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path
In summer
You’ll often hear a whirring sound
Cars abound
Although the sign
Nearby Speaks of Indies native
The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more
From the middle of one branch Of the v
Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic mans soil
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.

Fortress north Cold as glass
Friendship south
Take your task
To the number Nine eight two
Through the wood
No lion fears
In the sky the water veers
Small of scale
Step across
Perspective should not be lost
In the center of four alike
Small, split,
Three winged and slight
What we take to be
Our strongest tower of delight
Falls gently
In December night
Looking back from treasure ground
There’s the spout! A whistle sounds.

At the place where jewels abound
Fifteen rows down to the ground
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
Only three stand watch
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours
Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Gnomes admire
Fays delight
The namesakes meeting
Near this site.

If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
A green tower of lights
In the middle section
Near those
Who pass the coliseum
With metal walls
Face the water
Your back to the stairs
Feel at home
All the letters
Are here to see
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour
Lit by lamplight
In truth, be free.
Beneath two countries
As the road curves
In a rectangular plot
Beneath the tenth stone
From right to left
Beneath the ninth row from the top
Of the wall including small bricks
Seven steps up you can hop
From the bottom level
Socrates, Pindar, Apelles
Free speech, couplet, birch
To find casques destination
Seek the columns
For the search.
Lane
Two twenty two
You’ll see an arc of lights
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
Get permission To dig out.
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
White house close at hand.
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
Not far away
High posts are three
Education and Justice
For all to see
Sounds from the sky
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
Giant pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept.
View the three stories of Mitchell
As you walk the beating of the world
At a distance in time
From three who lived there
At a distance in space
From woman, with harpsichord
Silently playing
Step on nature
Cast in copper
Ascend the 92 steps
After climbing the grand 200
Pass the compass and reach
The foot of the culvert
Below the bridge
Walk 100 paces
Southeast over rock and soil
To the first young birch
Pass three, staying west
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
On a proud, tall fifth
At its southern foot
The treasure waits.
The first chapter
Written in water
Near men
With wind rose
Behind bending branches
And a green picket fence
At the base of a tall tree
You can still hear the honking
Shell, limestone, silver, salt
Stars move by day
Sails pass by night
Even in darkness
Like moonlight in teardrops
Over the tall grass
Years pass, rain falls.
Pass two friends of octave
In December
Ride the man of oz
To the land near the window
There’s a road that leads to
Dark forest
Where white is in color
With two maps
After circle and square
In July and August
A path beckons
To mica and driftwood
Under that
Which may be last touched
Or first seen standing
Look north at the wing
And dig
To achieve
By dauntless and inconquerable
Determination
Your goal.
Where M and B are set in stone
And to Congress, R is known
L sits and left
Beyond his shoulder
Is the Fair Folks’
Treasure holder
The end of ten by thirteen Is your clue
Fence and fixture
Central too
For finding jewel casque
Seek the sounds
Of rumble
Brush and music
Hush.

30 Comments

  1. Doug Zimmerman

    hi. have the white patches on her breast and top of shoulder on the right been investigated? inverted, quite a lot there.

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  2. Doug Zimmerman

    Hi. i found the bubbles and gem alignment. posted on twitter and reddit.Sunset Park, 41st St and 5th Ave in Brooklyn. 22 steps up the hill,the Or more are the short set of steps to the left that land at the middle of one branch of the V.the triangular bed to the right. Dig there!

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    • Joe

      Can you explain how the bubbles and gem align? I can’t figure out how you see it?

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  3. Gregory Gal

    If the woman’s dangling robe is meant to be Manhattan, then the gem lines right up with Governor’s Island. The droplets of water would, in that case, represent the rivers and bay.

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    • Leigh Ann

      I think that part of the image surely is meant to represent Manhattan and the islands. Possibly glass beads as mentioned in the book. All meant as a city indicator. But artistically speaking, the two beads on the right, the reflections are at different angles so is that artistically incorrect? They look like eyeballs looking in different directions to me. I think they’re meant to be both.

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    • patrice

      It’s a road map. Ellis island then Statue of Liberty then Verrazzano Bridge then The “Russian Mermaid” is Staten Island, her sash is Shore Beach the Russian settlement…and that’s all u get…I solved it but there’s your hints…

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      • Tracey

        I agree. The women and gown are the outline of Staten Island.

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    • Chet

      It is 100% not on Governors Island. I have already gone and checked and I spoke with a Park Ranger and they told me the park only opened to the public after 2001. Prior to that it was a military base

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  4. Doug Zimmerman

    where is JJP initials or signature in New York art?

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    • burnstyle

      Just underneath the center of the clock. Where the clock hands join together.

      It’s hard to see… but thats where they are.

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  5. Adam

    hola ladies an germs

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  6. Jason Olsen

    Moy Importante

    Although the sign
    Nearby Speaks of Indies native is incorrect.

    Although the sign
    Nearby
    Speaks of Indies native

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  7. georgecraigmanning

    The Secret by Byron Preiss
    My theory of image 12/
    verse 10…
    By georgecraigmanning
    Immigration, Ellis Island, Lady Liberty.
    Colored dots sure do resemble the Massimo Vignelli designed NYC Subway Map of the 1970’s. The colored dots representing each train line are spot on. There are 472 stations in the NYS Subway System, but there’s no way I’m counting all of image 12’s dots! Parks on the map were grey squares (the clock), and the water surrounding the land was tan (squares with seagull-eagle & Lady Liberty’s head). The NYC Subway connects every ethnic neighborhood in the most diverse city in the world and that map was the number one souvenir for everyone in the world that visited NYC.
    Eagle-seagull’s head looks like the Art-Deco eagles on top of Ellis Island Ferry Building.
    Red rectangle looks like the dock on Ellis Island.
    Spires look like the domes on the main Ellis Island Building.
    Arched shape is the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge towers…
    -In the shadow of the grey giant…
    The grey giant is the Verrazzano Bridge.
    -Find the arm that extends over the slender path…
    The arm is the Verrazzano Bridge deck and the slender path is The Narrows.
    -In summer you’ll often hear a whirring sound cars abound…
    Helicopter tours? Roadway of bridge is actually 12 feet lower in summer due to thermal expansion and the traffic causes a whirring sound below.
    Below is Fort Hamilton, literally in the shadow of the bridge.
    -Although the sign nearby speaks of indies native…
    The sign nearby is the sign at Fort Hamilton Triangle Park, several blocks away. The monument there has an eagle on top of an obelisk.
    Hamilton was a British West Indies Native.
    -The natives still speak of him of hard word in 3 vols…
    The natives are Native New Yorkers.
    Hard word…more later.
    3 vols…more later.
    -Take twice as many east steps as the hour or more…
    The images clock shows 11 o’clock, so I walk 22 west steps(The crosswalk from Ft Hamilton Triangle to Ft Hamilton Library is exactly 22 steps). West, because I believe images 1 and 12 are sister/mirror images (east coast-west coast, VZ Bridge-GG Bridge, NYC-SF, immigration). Keep in mind that in the Chicago and Cleveland finds, the ‘out of order hypothesis’ and the ‘reverse/backwards hypothesis’ were used in the find.
    -From the middle of one branch of the V look down and see simple roots in rhapsodic mans soil…
    Branch…more later.
    Upon walking my 22 steps, I’m facing a 4 foot tall iron V. The V is a support to a gate. The gate surrounds the Fort Hamilton Library. The V is inches from the 95 Street Station subway entrance.
    In the 1890’s Mrs. Gelstin of Shore road, with a capital of faith and 5 dollars, donated a collection of books to open the Fort Hamilton Free Library…
    Simple roots!
    In 1901 it became a branch of the Brooklyn Public Library, and in 1905 with a 1.6 million dollar gift from philanthropist Andrew Carnegie, moves to its present building. The Fort Hamilton Library became one of Brooklyn’s first Carnegie Libraries.
    Carnegie is probably best known for Carnegie Hall, one of the most prestigious venues in the world of music…
    Ft Hamilton Library, a Carnegie Library is in rhapsodic mans soil!
    -Or gaze north toward the isle of B…
    Gazing north is Bedloe’s Island, renamed Liberty Island in 1956.
    In the Travel/ Discovery Chanel episode, Preiss’s daughters were asked:”Is there any doubt in your mind that one of the boxes are here (NYC)?” They replied: “So he did say in a very fatherly way”: “Where would daddy bury a treasure?”…Library!
    Hard word…Library!
    3 vols…Library!
    Branch…Library!
    The Native New Yorkers still speak of Hamilton of hard word in 3 vols…
    Fort(1) Hamilton(2) Library(3)!
    The center of woman’s robe has the image of a lion, which is the symbol of a library to every New Yorker I know.
    Perhaps the lion’s face is a nod to Patience and Fortitude, the twin lions outside the New York Public Library and NYC mascots (thanks Gail).
    Co-authors Sean Kelly & Ted Mann are from Montreal, believed to be a casque location. John Jude Palencar was born 20 min away from the Cleveland find. Byron Preiss was born in Brooklyn.
    So, V marks the spot!

    Always respect ALL laws and regulations of locations associated with
    ‘The Secret: A Treasure Hunt’.

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    • Cyn

      Are you in the area? Because I live about 10 blocks away? I’m willing to check it out for you. And give you all due credit…

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    • Cyn

      I just looked on google maps to take a peek. Of course that exact areas view is blocked by a city bus 😣🤣

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      • Tom

        Hello all

        The grey giant is George Washington on Wall Street
        Look at the hands in painting and statue there are a match
        He points to trinity church
        The clock matches
        Hamilton is buried there
        On his head stone is three vols
        Patriot
        Soldier
        Statesman
        Going south on broadway you come to a “v”
        Broadway spits into two
        Both broadway
        Taking right side brings you to peter Minuit flagpole
        He purchased Manhattan
        If you look at flagpole closely you’ll see lion and peter Minuit
        If you look at painting you’ll see lion on left side in foam of wave
        And in crest of wave a shadow of a face in creating wave
        As for the arc it Clinton castle
        Now you can see all
        Statue liberty
        Ellis Island
        Clinton castle
        Flagpole

        22 steps?
        I believe is a ventilation bldg

        Isle of “B” is actually battery park surrounded by broadway
        The rumored purchase site by peter Minuit for the Dutch

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    • Patrice

      Let me help u. Fort Hamilton is her left hand. I thought it a possibility because she points to it however if u actually read the book and solve the whole puzzle you’ll see it’s not.

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    • Patrice

      well, you did good in some spots, not others, V is what the whole picture is all about. Has anyone read the book here? Let’s remember it’s all about immigration and the 3 volumes has to do with Fort Wadsworth on the right hand. That’s where the Indian monument was supposed to go. It didn’t and the 3 vol has to do with that. The V is not Brooklyn. You really think Preiss made it about him? The dots are not subway stations. The woman’s sash are shells not lions. At least you got the isle of B.

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  8. georgecraigmanning

    Image 12’s bird…
    When the colonial governors of Nieuw Amsterdam purchased what is now Ellis Island, it was named Gull Island after the birds that were it’s only inhabitants.
    Image 12’s bird’s head is a spot on match of the Art-Deco eagles on top of the Ellis Island ferry building.
    Could this eagle-seagull hybrid be confirmation of Ellis Island?
    I believe so.

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  9. georgecraigmanning

    I don’t believe it’s on EI, just thinking eagle head (match to EI ferry building) on a seagull body (Gull Island) may represent Ellis Island.
    A lot of people looking for that bird

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  10. georgecraigmanning

    Rethinking my theory for The Secret- Image 12/Verse 10

    Looking at image 12…
    Arched shape matches the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge tower.
    Colored dots sure do resemble the Massimo Vignelli designed NYC Subway Map of the 1970’s. Colored dots represented each train line, parks were dark grey squares (same as image 12’s clock), the surrounding water was tan (same as the boxes Lady Liberty’s head and eagle-seagull are in image 12), and the entire map is sectioned into squares (similar to image 12’s panels).
    This map was the number one souvenir for everyone in the world who visited NYC. I believe this tells us we should be in NYC.
    Eagle-seagull’s head is a match to the Art-Deco eagles on top of the Ellis Island ferry building. The original name of EI was Gull Island, explaining the body.
    Reddish rectangle framed in gray is a good match to the main entrance of the Fort Hamilton Library. In 1980, the door was reddish with a limestone door surround.
    I believe the blue Orthodox Church tells us we she be in Brooklyn. It represents Brooklyn’s nickname, ‘The Borough of Churches’.
    The waves represent the neighborhood of BKLYN we should be in, Bay Ridge.
    The 3 ‘Water Droplets’ beneath Lady Liberty’s robe are the 2 acorn shaped lights on each side of the Ft Hamilton Library entrance and the ornate streetlight in between at the curb. The faceted jewel is literally showing the location of the casque. The angle and perspective is spot on.
    Lady Liberty is in the shape of a triangle. Ft Hamilton Triangle Park is across the street from the library.
    Finally, Lady Liberty’s robe appears to have the image of a lion in the center. A lion represents the mascot of The New York Public Library to every New Yorker I know.

    Reading verse 10…
    Ok, let’s say I change the order of some of lines?

    In the shadow
    Of the grey giant
    Of the v
    Find the arm that
    Extends over the slender path
    Or gaze north
    Toward the isle of b
    Cars abound
    Although the sign
    Nearby
    Speaks of Indies native
    The natives still speak
    Of him of hard word in 3 vols
    And see simple roots
    In rhapsodic man’s soil
    From the middle of one branch
    Take twice as many east steps as the hour
    Or more
    In summer
    You’ll often hear a whirring sound
    Look down

    Grey giant is the VZ Bridge. Grey because that’s how BP’s Canadian co-authors spell gray.
    Arm is the bridge deck and slender path is The Narrows.
    Gazing north from my location, I’m looking at Liberty Island, formerly Bedloe’s Island.
    Sign nearby is Ft Hamilton Library.
    Hamilton was an Indies native.
    The natives are Native New Yorkers.
    Hard word in 3 vols is a play on words. Hard word, 3 vols, branch, lion represents library. Library in 3 vols is
    Fort Hamilton Library.
    There’s a placard in the vestibule of the library…
    In the 1880’s, Mrs. Gelstin of Shore Road, with a capital of faith and 5 dollars, donated a collection of books to open the Fort Hamilton Free Library.
    That’s simple roots.
    In 1901 it became a branch of The Brooklyn Public Library, and in 1905 with a 1.6 million dollar gift from philanthropist Andrew Carnegie, moves to its new building. Ft Hamilton Library became one of BKLYN’s first Carnegie Libraries.
    Carnegie is probably best known for Carnegie Hall, one of the most prestigious venues in the world of music.
    That’s rhapsodic man’s soil.
    From the middle of one branch (Ft Hamilton Library is the branch and its entrance is dead center) I take exactly 22 east steps (twice as many steps as the hour) across the street to the curb. 2-3 steps (or more) from the curb and I’m in Fort Hamilton Triangle Park. Ft Hamilton Triangle Park has always been called Pigeon Park by the locals because of the large number of pigeons living there. In summer you’ll often hear a whirring sound because whirring is the sound birds wings make. Look it up.
    Directly across the street from the library’s entrance (22steps or more, I look down at a small plot of green with grass and shrubs. It’s the southern tip of Ft Hamilton Triangle Park.
    The plot is exactly where the faceted jewel is in image 12 in proportion to the library’s lights and streetlight (the water droplets). Standing there looking south is the VZ Bridge tower perfectly aligned.
    In the EU episode, BP’s daughters were asked: “Is there any doubt in your mind that one of the boxes is here (NYC)?
    They Replied: “so he did say in a very fatherly way”: “Where would daddy bury a treasure?”
    I’m thinking 25 steps from a library with a post card view of The VZ Bridge.
    Co-authors Kelly and Mann are from Montreal, believed to be a casque location. JJP was born 20 minutes from the Cleveland Find. BP was born in Brooklyn.

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  11. John B

    A correction is need on this site on the line

    And see simple roots
    In rhapsodic mans soil

    Need the ‘s on mans. The book contains

    “ And see simple roots
    In rhapsodic man’s soil”

    Without the apostrophe to show Poseidon, the line takes on a different meaning.

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    • John B

      Possession- not Poseidon. (Darn autocorrect.)

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  12. Cynthia W

    These images are so crystal clear! I’m just curious why the blue architectural buildings are not in the close ups

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    • Chris

      Seconding this question- where is the Russian building in the “original” painting?

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  13. RuneD

    I think its on coney island

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  14. Erin

    I think the casque is on Coney Island. The whirring in summer are the rides. That is all. I am terrible at riddles.

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  15. Brandon

    I believe I see some coordinates in the bubbles. The left one in red looks like a 28 and the last one on the right I see a 64. Still working on the middle one. Any feedback would be great.

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    • Brandon

      Also the wings could be considered a 33 if there’s one in the box next to it that’s 4 coordinates.

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  16. Brandon

    I found the middle bubble it also looks like 26. Let me know what you all see.

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