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21. Meetups and Tv Shows

by | Oct 17, 2019 | 0 comments

Season 02 Episode 07

Meetups and Tv Shows

OH MY GOD! Has this been a month for the Secret or what!?! A new EU episode came out, the New York image was released, the podcast had a meetup in San Francisco, and a CASQUE MAY HAVE BEEN FOUND IN BOSTON!?!?! Oh, since I said that you don’t care as much about the first three anymore do you? Well we don’t talk about that in this episode…. We talk about the second EU episode… stay tuned for the third.

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George Ward
Do an intro, right? This is always the most awkward part for me. Welcome to the secret podcast. We’re here today with Brett with Bradley and with apparently the rock star of San Francisco. Matthew sparks. The podcast just had a meet up we left about you know we could go met up with maybe 30 hunters in San Francisco went over some solves and had some dinner had a really good time. And literally everyone. All everyone did was follow around Matt and take in every single word he had say. It was crazy. Mad Mad. What was? How did that make you feel? I think the last meetup only had a couple of people show up. What was it like to have all these people just follow you around and eat up every word.

Matt Sparks
The last meetup was me and another guy. Oh, so this. This was weird. Yeah, again, I keep telling everybody, I haven’t found one. I don’t know anything more than everybody else who hasn’t found one. So, and by the time I’ve been working on it, this makes me the worst, by definition on tour of these things. But it was so fun to meet everybody. It was just awesome. It was it was great. Putting names, names with faces. And you know, it was great.

George Ward
Everybody was super polite. There was no awkwardness. It was amazing.

Matt Sparks
I know. And then and then I guess because of the music festival in Golden Gate Park. Nobody went to San Francisco that day. Because let me tell you San Francisco is never that empty. Okay. I mean, I got to park 20 spaces from the park, you know, and walked walked out the door and you guys were walking by?

George Ward
Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. There was nobody there. I guess the people that did show up. We had the hunters. And then we had the news. Like for some reason the news just decided to show up well, soon. Yeah. The infamous Wilson.

Matt Sparks
He’s been ghosting us for years now. Yeah, he had

Brett Zingler
been out there. I guess somebody told him that we were going to be out there or somebody was going to be out there at 9am. So he had been out there for hours. Yeah,

Matt Sparks
like somebody said they were going to be there early to get a spot. Right.

George Ward
I think that was Linda. And then she had some sort of emergency where she couldn’t come. But it was kind of cool that they showed up. They said that there. They had, they had met with some other hunters who had a GPR out in Golden Gate Park. And that they were they had one other clip that they had filmed. And they’re going to sort of create a series of not a series but create a segment based on those three encounters. So hopefully we’ll get to see that in the future.

Matt Sparks
I’m hoping p heavin. It’s all it’s really it’s all fun and games. I mean, that’s what this is. But every single video I’ve seen vaco with the angle tend to make fun of the hunters.

George Ward
Yeah, yeah, a little bit.

Brett Zingler
Well, there’s not much fun to make of us. We were having a good time out there. We were exchanging ideas. Yeah, it was awesome. That was on fire. I mean, well, first of all, this is the first time I’ve met either you met or Bradley in person. And it was a pleasure. Secondly, boy, what a great setup that that you all put on out there was it was awesome. And it was just cool. What I liked is I enjoyed just everybody getting an opportunity to sort of bounce ideas off of Matt and hear Matt’s ideas. But also everybody got a chance to kind of like showcase what they you know, their ideas and their you know, potential solves and dig sites and things like that. And a couple people got on camera and it was just it was just a really it was an other worldly experience for me. Yeah, I just didn’t I didn’t anticipate how Oh, cool and fun and great that would be and how polite like you said how polite everybody was and how nice they were and how into it. Everybody is I mean, it was just really cool.

Bradley Hodges
Yeah, I completely agree. The community getting to meet everybody in person was amazing. Getting to meet Matt, Matt and Brett was first time I got to meet both of you in person. So that was a great experience for myself. And just getting to see the community, you know, just dive in. You know, we all try to be supportive on the forums. But, you know, online on the internet, there’s always kind of a filter, where people try to be, you know, a little more cautious than what I think they normally would be. And you could see that in person. I mean, there was no holds barred. Everybody was just, you know, I’ve got something, let me tell you, I’ve got something else, let me tell you. And it was amazing. I was so excited to be a part of that. And think of Matt being a rock star. I was super surprised that Matt asked for everybody’s autograph, instead of us getting Matt’s autograph. But I like what Matt started. So I think anytime we do a meet up, we should always print a poster board of whatever images that we’re meeting up for, and have everybody attend sign it.

Matt Sparks
Yeah, that’s been hanging on my office since then. And you know, on the wall behind my desk, and everybody who comes in asks about it. So another excuse to tell people,

George Ward
that poster board was a great idea, not only because of the keepsake, but because a lot of the a lot of the people in San Francisco have very image based solves. And it’s really hard when you’re talking online to sort of see what they see. And it was really helpful to have this huge image of the painting sitting there so that people could point. You know, I see this here.

Matt Sparks
When we went to the bar, I threw it in the middle of the table. And there’s another example San Francisco is empty that day, we got a table for night exactly without waiting across the street across the street that round, so we can all look at each other. And

Bradley Hodges
just just to paint this picture for people that weren’t there. It was a giant round table, kind of think of like Knights of the Round Table sort of situation. And in the middle was a giant Lazy Susan. And Matt put his big poster board rather lazy Susan and all during our interaction with dinner and drinks. This lazy season was going left to right with everybody just spinning it around so they could point the image the way they needed to and discuss you know with their neighbors about what was going on. They were books going on a lazy Susans spinning rapidly to the right and left here. Let’s go take a look at this a coming to get come here. Take a look at this. It was awesome. I had an amazing time

George Ward
and some that I gotta give something I gotta get Brett Bradley props for is we the podcast, I thought we were going to have to buy everybody’s dinner there. Because the restaurant had some weird thing where they wouldn’t split checks. And Bradley went around and like did the math figured out what everybody owed split everything up. Bradley spent probably 45 minutes just doing math to make sure that everybody was taken care of. That was kind of awesome.

Bradley Hodges
I appreciate that. But that goes to the community because that could people could have very easily taken advantage of that situation, or very easily made that a very negative situation. And everybody was super gracious and just willing to work with me to make it work for everybody. So that’s props for the community right there.

Brett Zingler
Yeah, I’m on the other thing is that we you know, the donate the requests for donations. Had that not turned out very well would have gone up on the for the podcast pretty badly. And thank you. Yeah. Yeah, that worked out really cool. And then the other thing that was neat is, we sat at a table, we looked up to our right above a stairwell and there’s a big Mark Twain quote. Right there it was,

Bradley Hodges
yeah,

Brett Zingler
I thought that was really professional or appropriate or Yeah,

Matt Sparks
seriously,

Brett Zingler
you can’t get away from Mark Twain in San Francisco. It’s true. We we utilize them for pretty much everything. You’re right.

George Ward
Yeah. But it was a nice backdrop. Seriously, everything about that meetup was absolutely perfect. I mean, there wasn’t a bad thing I could say about it.

Bradley Hodges
My favorite Mark Twain quote, I learned why we were there. And that was the coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco. I thought it was great Madison

George Ward
that your least favorite Mark Twain quote, because it’s not actually a Mark Twain quote or something. He never

Bradley Hodges
said it. Oh, no.

Matt Sparks
Everybody loves it, but he never

Brett Zingler
said it. That was Matt Twain. Yeah, Twain said something they’ll write Yeah. His brother in like Wayne.

George Ward
In the 1800s, Matt leaned over to some Mark Twain and he was like, hey, you know, you should say this.

Matt Sparks
Yeah, you should say this.

Brett Zingler
Yeah. Tell me what’s now the object of your attention is

Matt Sparks
to really please stand standing there in that park. You know, there’s Mark Twain in I don’t know just, I mean, visibly eight different directions for me, right there that you can’t argue. Yeah, that’s Mark Twain thing. That’s a Mark Twain thing. That’s Mark Twain. You know So it’s impossible.

George Ward
Now, Matt, I know, I know you don’t like that part. But standing in that park, there’s a lot to me at least there’s a lot in that verse and the image that that line up pretty well.

Matt Sparks
There is one and there’s a lot in the verse in the image, it lines up the Golden Gate Park. There’s a lot. Yes, there is. And I mean, you know, there’s the observatory and Stow Lake, and there’s the strawberry and the dragon and there’s the phoenix from the senior center. There are so many matches around there and put you can do that. repeatedly. You can do it at Coit Tower, or the map that’s in the dragon scales and you know, matches, Coit towers neighborhood. Exactly. There’s just switch verses and go with verse six and the Portsmouth square, you know, near Chinatown, you know, it’s there’s so many matches that are there. You can actually there’s, you can actually use the quick what’s the verse with long poem shadow? The the Charleston verse is that the Charleston verse I’ve heard somebody do a there’s a there’s a park up on the hill near Nob Hill, with tennis courts in it. And I’ve heard that verse applied there and you go, what a fit. That’s fantastic. You know, VISTA is that Alta Vista Park, or Yeah, might be I’d have to go grab a map. And look,

George Ward
I have it. It’s it’s hard to argue and I know you will. It’s hard to argue that GH though. I mean, it’s pretty obvious it’s it’s almost fencepost obvious. And and like I asked that the I asked him to meet up, it’s, it’s odd that, like, that’s there, but so much of this verse, And so much of the image fits in like the other side of the city. You know, we kind of know that the Fairmont is important. But that’s on the other end of gear that’s on the other end of the city from Ghiradelli. Why is this is this?

Matt Sparks
It’s not the NRL Yeah, no,

Brett Zingler
it’s operable, but it’s yeah, you can roll Yes.

George Ward
So I guess maybe for a Florida boy it’s a little far but yeah, I don’t know like Chicago’s right there Chicago’s within what half a mile of each other not including the water tower.

Matt Sparks
Well, not including the water tower not including the bowls arena. If that’s

George Ward
the bowls arena and not just a logo.

Matt Sparks
Well. All right. All right. So bowls arena lines up with the thing on the side of the building. And, and yeah, and Madison Avenue, Park. So water tower to the to the archer, you know, goes down Michigan.

George Ward
So a quick synopsis just and hopefully I get this right. Something that the way Matt believes part of the puzzle works is the image gives you two different sort of icons. And that creates two different paths that intersect at a point and that point is where the verse takes over. Right, Matt?

Matt Sparks
Basically, four icons. Oh, I only knew of two. Well, San Francisco. All right, you got the bulls arena. Chicago, you got the fountain of the lakes. That’s two. You got the water tower. And you got the archer statue. That’s for Cleveland, you got the transit building and the triangle. And you have the statue that I can never remember that guy’s name. I

George Ward
think you’re thinking of Dante. Maybe the one right next to the Greek cultural gardens like that. And the Italian gardens.

Matt Sparks
It’s up the street. Yeah, no, I took because if you came in on not Euclid, but the other way in and you came down from the north. It ends up at the horseshoe. Okay. You’re right there both of those. Oh, I’m all for those things are in the in diverse and in San Francisco. You got Golden Gate Park, and Lincoln. And if you have Fairmont and California. You get off onto your might go down California. It runs right into Lincoln Park. And if you get off Golden Gate Park and you go up 34th to Lincoln, you’re right there thinks that’s pretty

Brett Zingler
far though. Isn’t it? From the Fairmont? All the way down the Legion of Honor.

Matt Sparks
It’s a straight shot with no turns.

George Ward
I’ll give you this man. I’ve always given you shit about l said. But I actually stood in front of that statue. And that is a giant step. Like that statue is enormous and impressive. You know, I went through a couple of places where, like, privately, I know you’ve dug and I see, I see what you’re saying, like I, I didn’t understand before, but I understand yourself now. So I don’t know how much that means. But whatever it’s, it’s it’s out there.

Bradley Hodges
So you have these large distances. That’s one of the things I really loved about this community as well. Not only did we meet up and get to talk about our different solids and our different theories of, you know, where things are buried, why things are buried, what paths we take, etc, etc. We have a team that was ready and mobile, everybody, almost everybody in the meetup wanted to go and visit all the different places we big, big shout out to Anthony, Anthony took myself and some other members to several different locations we wanted to check out and was super gracious host in San Francisco. So thank you so much. But you know, they didn’t just want to talk, they wanted to get out they wanted to explore, they wanted to be boots on the ground, they wanted to see these places firsthand, and hash out theories and find this cast, they were driven to a mission. And I really appreciate that about them.

Brett Zingler
And how about, you know, people coming from all over the place for this thing, like, we had a wind coming out from all the way

Bradley Hodges
from Jersey jersey,

Brett Zingler
we had BBI and I think his name, his name is actually mark. He came all the way up for the weekend just to hook up with us and talk to us from from Southern California. And then we had a bunch of people it’s no small feat to drive in from the Central Valley of California. You know, some some people were making like three four hour drives into the city, you know, and expecting not to be able to park and or get anywhere once they got there. So I don’t know I was that was really that was really cool. Something

George Ward
I’ve got a I’ve got a I’ve got to do a throwback just a little bit, man. When all of these communities were started, me and JM and Matt. And like John Harvey, everybody came together and we were like, We need this. We community needs to be formed. This meetup proves that that happened. Like there is a tight knit community behind the secret a community of people who care about each other who are friends with each other who wants to help each other. It was great to see that many people get together, who agreed on so little like none of them agreed on any real solve. But they all worked together to help each other out. It was amazing. And then

Brett Zingler
the other thing was I really liked just walking around the city. You know, you being a native from here, I get to see it every once in a while, but I don’t get to do like boots on the ground and scoping stuff out in detail. And it was really cool. George and Bradley when we were scoping out by the Fairmont Hotel. I think that’s called Huntington Park. I want to say yep. And there was a couple in town in Boston and and, you know, they saw you guys were carrying all the digging stuff, but they saw the digging stuff. They’re like you guys are treasure hunters, aren’t you? And we’re like, as a matter of fact, we are really cool. And they just got a kick out of it. And they joined the podcast and joined the pages on Facebook. And they thought it they got a big thrill out of it. And it really reminded me like how much fun I’m having doing this and and how cool I feel, you know, getting get out and look around the city.

George Ward
And that was just that was the first of two times that happened. Remember, we went to like the last night we were there. Me Brett, Rachel and Brett’s wife all went to a bar. And the bartender just randomly starts talking about the secret. And we’re sitting here looking at her like Do you know who you’re talking to right now like a shout out

Brett Zingler
to the pig and whistle and we yeah, we went and had a beer. That’s a place where I used to go with with my wife all the time pre pre being married, right around the corner from my apartment. And we were in there just talking and she brought up the secret on Expedition unknown. And we were just like, mountains again. This is so crazy. She was very opinionated. I must say she Yeah. She’s like, you know, she definitely well, it’s definitely a Coit Tower. And, you know, she had her ideas was really random and really, really cool seeing how far reaching this

George Ward
thing is. And then Rachel just sitting at the bar going my god, can I not even go to a random bar without hearing about this puzzle?

Brett Zingler
Can you guys just shut up?

Matt Sparks
Now was the biggest disappointment of the day is you didn’t bring her along?

George Ward
Yeah, I’m really sorry. Her and her impress wife went out and had like a girls. It was we went to San Francisco originally because it was Rachel’s birthday. And they went out and had a girls day and just sort of hung out and had a very expensive lunch.

Brett Zingler
They had fun. Yes. It was nice of them to accommodate our crazy adventures on Saturday and then it was time to get back to business and hang out with them. But yeah, we had a really, really good time and back to aquatic Park. cuz I originally I started in Legion of Honor you know when I when I first met Matt and I loved all the stuff there then I sort of moved over to Golden Gate Park and formulated my own opinions there. Then I then kind of with simultaneously with Anthony we were working on this and I ended up down at aquatic park and you know I just there’s just so there’s a lot there and I know there’s a lot everywhere but like the things that I like are they like the air smells sweet piece with the you know potentially even though that’s supposed to be metaphorical you know it being near the GH and that would be a you know, a tie in to the image not far away high posts are three I mean, there’s, you know, their ship masks all over the place. There’s the Fisherman’s Wharf sign that has the three wooden posts as called up by the Japanese heads you know, sounds from the sky I really liked the speaker tower things that were they used to broadcast to people that sat around on the park the use of broadcasts, sporting sporting events, you know, I just there’s a lot there. Can I make it all work? No, of course I haven’t been able to make any of this work anywhere. But there’s there we have to admit there’s there’s some good tie ins there and I could see why somebody would go there and dig to be

George Ward
honest that might be its downfall though there’s so much there that none of its very specific. None of its fencepost specific, you know, none of its MMB set in stone specific and I say that knowing that the Chicago guys got that wrong, but everything there sort of fits, but it might be it might be the wrong place because everything there’s just a little vague what do you what do you think that what’s my What’s your biggest argument against there?

Matt Sparks
My biggest argument against it.

George Ward
Yeah, besides the four points it said legion of off.

Matt Sparks
No, no, it’s it. No, there’s fantastic arguments for it. There’s the biggest issue with the area is how much renovation that’s happened there. Yeah. You know, and that does affect whether it was there or not, that just makes me cringe to think oh, you know, if it was here, all that dirt was removed. Yeah. So can

George Ward
we talk about the lesion on Are you okay, talking about your solvent leaving them on? Or no, I

Matt Sparks
got no problem with anybody knowing where it is my thought

Brett Zingler
seeds, Gregory. Totally cool, dude. Very great guy. And I listened intently and I’ve been doing some kind of back channeling with him and I’m trying to get better understanding of where he thinks it is. I like the way He’s tying the image and the verse together to try to combine them at aquatic parks, I think I think that’s pretty cool. So you know, shout out to him and I think he should keep trying and and you know, these things are all solved, you know, I don’t know that there’s one method for these I you know, I think there’s some convincing sides you know, are some different ways that you could explain it in terms of like does the does the image get you to the place and then reverse taking the final mile or vice versa I just like you know, I thought seeds did a good job and combining like the both the image and the verse in like a pretty convincing assault so that was pretty cool.

Bradley Hodges
Yeah, seat seats was awesome to get to hang out with great personality. The hair and the sunglasses threw me for a loop those that were there know what I’m talking about. But when we’re talking about aquatic Park, our I’ve been to Cleveland, right? I’ve been to where it was buried and when you’re there you know, it’s there like you just have a feeling I’m in the right place. And I didn’t have that feeling until we went to aquatic Park and when we were there. I had that feeling I just go Caroline Why were there she found a poster made by the National Park Service calling a large tunnel away stone wall and it has a huge metal door. That’s now closing it off.

Matt Sparks
Oh. Under the base. Yeah.

Bradley Hodges
That was awesome. Tough actually find something that says stone wall made by National Park Service to actually name an Essbase loved it.

George Ward
So Matt, you’re after this after that weekend? We can honestly say that you’re the rock star of San Francisco and everybody values your opinion. So the three of us here got that feeling in aquatic Park convinced us that it’s the Legion of Honor All right.

Matt Sparks
So my biggest my biggest thing with Aquatic park that makes me go it’s probably not there is the big icon even if you go with one icon like water tower and the transit building. In arguably the biggest icon in the image is Golden Gate. Park? Yes. Okay, it’s all over shirt. So you can, like you like it’s easy to go to Michigan to get to Grant Park from the water tower. It’s easy to go down Euclid to get to Rockefeller Park from the transit building. It is not easy to go from Golden Gate Park to aquatic Park. Okay, so I mean that that just, I mean, if there was a straight shot between the two, I go, that’s something to pay attention to. So that was actually the piece that made me finally turn around and go, I gotta leave golden gate park behind. Because you don’t start at you don’t dig it the water tower, you don’t dig at the transit building. So, you know, if I follow that I got to be somewhere else. I tried all kinds of else I went, I went north and south down the great highway, down to Funston or Fort Funston. Up to La Land’s End and Cliff House and the San Francisco memorial for the ship. You know, was actually there there was you know, there was a couple big flagpoles up on top of Land’s End because of military stuff that was up there. But none of it felt right. Until we recognize the head and shoulders as the parking lot the tabletop as the fountain, the fountain you know, Angel Island is, you know, visible from there as his golden gate bridge as his fourth point. There’s so many things in the image that are visible from that point more than more than anyplace else more than at aquatic park at the marina at Coit Tower, there are so many places in San Francisco, yes, you can get image matches. But when you stand there at the Legion of Honor, they all match the freedom firmer sleeve to you know the thing under the table that then step into the verse, and you start seeing, you know, education, you know, and justice right over there on the other Hill. Aces High is, you know, Highway One running north, but first across the Golden Gate Bridge, it’s right in front of you sounds from the sky. If if June is the month of this cask. In June Gloom in San Francisco, it’s fog all the time in the fog horns would be a constant sound, you know, that needs a device to be made for you to hear it. And they are, you know, sounds from the sky near Aces High? Well, they’re mounted on Highway One. So, you know, the, there’s just in that single spot, there’s so many more matches you can do. You know, then you can do some here and some there and another few over there. But you stand in that one spot there. So Matthew,

George Ward
I’ll give you like a lot of people try to use this image as a as a map, and try to overlay it on things, but probably the best overlay that I’ve ever seen is the head of the lady and that that parking area. That’s probably the best match I’ve ever seen. You know,

Bradley Hodges
I was in the parking area. Skunks, Scott and

Matt Sparks
and and over the edge heroin needles. Yeah, so on some of those to

George Ward
be really careful. So i i gotta say I finally got to dig in San Francisco. I dug in a spot that I didn’t believe in. But I’ve always I’ve tried to convince Matt to dig there at the at the terminus, and I finally got to dig there. And we found heroin needles. We found heroin needles, we found skunks, we found raccoons, it was great. We found no caste. All right. So

Matt Sparks
if you’re standing there at the terminus, which wasn’t there in the 80s because it had been taken down in the 60s. And before that it was at the head the very tip of the parking lot. What was next to you on the sidewalk, the bus terminal. The other direction. Oh, there was a job.

Bradley Hodges
There’s a Gary walkway. There was just a giant step.

Matt Sparks
Yeah.

George Ward
That’s That’s why I went there. Yeah, couldn’t really get the giant pole part, but I got the giant step. Alright, so

Matt Sparks
turn around and face the other side of the parking lot. And that’s where the Holocaust?

George Ward
Yes, yes. Which was closed when we went by.

Matt Sparks
They’ve pulled out, I guess. Yeah, my daughter works for those museums, she told me they’ve pulled out or are going to pull out all of the statues and refurbish them and put them back. I was like, they’re gonna tear it out and maybe move it. That’s good news. But that’s not happening. So but in 1980, that wasn’t there. And the sidewalk ended exactly the way it does over by where the current Lincoln highway marker is. So it was a giant step down to the ground right there. The sidewalk would just end and you’d have like a three foot drop to the ground. Yeah. And where’s the real end of the terminus?

Brett Zingler
Is that where the marker is? Or

Matt Sparks
the parking lot? Yeah, I think a lot in the parking lot is the terminus, fuge? There’s a loop at this end and there’s a loop at the other end.

George Ward
So I mean, I think we’re glossing over some of them pretty obvious and I would I would take a lot of heat if I didn’t mention it. What What’s your high posts are three at the the Legion of Honor because there are no wooden posts there.

Matt Sparks
Right behind El Cid are three. I think they’re redwoods. Trees sort of thing. And they’re trees. Yeah, they’re trees. And they’re tall and straight. And they are the only ones of that type nearby. All right. So if you line up from the archway that looks like the archway in the image. I say l SIDS in the image. Nobody else does. I’m okay with that. Okay, but if you were there in the 80s the only giant pole in the area l sits hold it. So it’s you know, it’s a lance is a giant pole. So and if you follow the direction of the giant pole, it points directly to the step right there at the end of the sidewalk. And if you kept going it points at the center of the Golden Gate Bridge and Angel Island. So and I think that thing

Brett Zingler
is called a pole Lance or something, isn’t it? Yes.

Matt Sparks
It is an alias. Yeah. Has the Lord as a pole. It is a pole Lance. Yes, it Yeah.

Brett Zingler
And I there’s no denying that the Joan of Arc statue is one of a couple. Really? Twain’s

Matt Sparks
there’s so many right there. It’s annoying. However, if you went with let’s and this is just arbitrary, me saying, you know, what if? What if he realized there’s so many Twain references in San Francisco, that he was nice enough to put it in the image for us? Okay. So in the image, specifically, there’s three. So if you read what he says about the Legion of Honor, he’s actually not talking about the building. He’s talking about the metal. But he says it’s so one, you know, wonderful object. And the Legion of Honor building is right there. And if the arch is the Legion of Honor, great gateway, then that would be the one direction. The second one is in the part of her hair. You have Golden Gate Bridge and Fort Point. And he went to Fort Point and wrote a newspaper article. And the third one that’s in the image is he was his friend was accused of murder. So he bailed him bailed his friend out or promised to pay the bail if his friend skipped town. And as soon as his friend got out, he skipped town. So Mark Twain had to skip town in San Francisco also. So he grabbed a rowboat or a small boat and he went over to Angel Island did he camped out for two weeks that’s

George Ward
sort of where I get lost in the salts like I think back to Chicago and I think back to Cleveland, and if you were to put me in you and anybody in any Joe Blow off the street In either of those parks with a book, I could explain that entire solve to the random person without them understanding anything about the history. Right? I can point this is this and this is this, and this is this and it leaves you here and they would understand. So it always makes me pause when when someone says, you know, Mark Twain wrote this, you how would you know that if you’re, if you’re standing right there, like you do in Cleveland and Chicago? You know, if you have to go back into history, how does that help you if you’re a, you know, a kid in 1982, who can’t google? You know, where Mark Twain wrote an article in a newspaper, you know what I’m saying? If you’d

Matt Sparks
been to Angel Island, they got signs over there describing the Mark Twain thing. All right, but But okay, now I’m with you. Yeah. And then the ad but but the Legion of Honor. You know, you gotta go like read all his newspaper. I mean, the the fourth point, you got to go read all his newspaper articles, which this thing caused me to do. I’ve read everything.

George Ward
And I love that about I love that about the secret, man, even if we never find any of these things, just the stuff in history that we get to learn. And the places we get to experience it.

Matt Sparks
It also sets you up for huge problems because in Innocence Abroad, he says, hey, the one object of our attention that is so magnificent, and he’s talking about the cathedral in Milan, Italy. I’m like, how the heck do we point at Milan, Italy.

George Ward
But that’s, I think that’s what keeps me in aquatic Park. Like if I were to take Joe Blow off the street and say, Hey, what do you know about Mark Twain? What did Mark Twain like? He’s gonna say, Well, Tom Sawyer, you know, the Mississippi River steamboats and aquatic Parks got one that’s really big, and it’s hard to miss this the simple it’s, people always give me shit about it. I tried to keep it super simple. And that’s just the simplest explanation. I can come up with Mark Swain steamboats.

Matt Sparks
If you’re from California, it’s Mark Twain. Newspaper. Yeah.

George Ward
But was Byron from California. But Byron was in publishing. So he, in your favor, he would know, a lot more of the, you know, the intricacies of Mark Twain’s history than the normal person would?

Matt Sparks
I would think so. Yeah. So okay, so let’s talk

Bradley Hodges
about the one place that nobody’s mentioned yet Coit Tower. So I got I got to visit Coit Tower over there. And I’ll tell you nothing felt like giant step. Like anything other than Coit Tower, Coit Tower, when you when you walk up to it, this is screams giant step dipole. Not so much. I can see why some people would say that, but boy giant step for sure.

George Ward
And there’s those rocks. Months and months and months ago, somebody posted on Facebook, they had like a side by side of some rocks at the top of a stairwell right next to Coit Tower. right up against like the painting a couple of rocks in the image and they looked

Matt Sparks
perfect. Farrell stairs are Yeah, I do remember that. I do remember that. Well, I didn’t think they look perfect. But yeah, I hear what you’re saying.

Bradley Hodges
Yeah. And so I think we learned while we were there just talking to the natives of San Francisco. They, the gentleman in the park, who brings his dog there every day has been doing it for as long as he can remember. Let us know behind Coit Tower. So when you when you come into Coit Tower, there’s a circular parking lot this Christopher Columbus statue in the center. You walk up the stairs to get to Coit Tower and then you can walk around it. And around the back. There’s this wonderful landscaped area with walkways little place you have a picnic. None of that was there in the 80s in the back. All of that was just according to the gentleman I spoke to it all it was just raw, just rock and soil and trees

Matt Sparks
ice. It was ice plant.

George Ward
And what were you saying Bradley a while back about your climbing Coit Tower. And then the The guy told you something. Yes.

Bradley Hodges
Oh, yeah. That Oh, absolutely. So so we got to the top of Coit Tower. And we were talking with the guide at the top. Just about San Francisco in general didn’t ask me specific questions, and the top of Coit Tower is not covered. It’s open air. As a matter of fact, the employees make a really great joke. Whenever you first get there. Really, the best mural is actually on the ceiling when you get to the top. So make sure you look up. Of course when you get up there, you look up there’s nothing but sky, but we were discussing with them. You know, how do you guys handle I know it doesn’t rain much, but when it rains, how do you guys handle the water collecting here in the top? And he kind of pointed out the drainage system they said and did you notice the giant step? As like I’m sorry, what did you say? And he’s like, the giant step is like, do you call that the giant step? up, or does everybody here call that the giant step was like, oh, we’ll call the giant step. It’s above the level of the floor. So it keeps the water from going down the stairwell. And we always have to make sure that people come up, don’t trip on it whenever they’re coming back down. That’s like, wow, that’s, that’s,

George Ward
that’s it. San Francisco solved. If you want to get the cast, just jump off Coit Tower,

Matt Sparks
and you’re good to go or is it buried at the top?

George Ward
So in the concrete, get your jackhammer. The

Brett Zingler
other thing is that the that the word justice is inscribed in the Christopher in the base of the Christopher Columbus statue, and there’s also a little placard out in the parking lot as you face towards the Marina that actually says the words giant POLIN it.

George Ward
I really feel like the entirety of San Francisco like San Francisco was built specifically to confuse people who look for secret treasures.

Brett Zingler
Yeah, I’m more confused than when I first started this three or four years ago.

Bradley Hodges
It’s all right. So to get to the San Francisco meetup, I drove down to Florida, and then flew across the country with George and Rachel, which was exciting. But I tell you, I made that drive faster than I’ve ever made in my life. And that’s because I had a deadline to hit. I drove down the night of the EU expedition unknown sequel to the secret the secret to the secret to absolutely. So I think everybody that’s on has had an opportunity to watch. Am I correct on that?

George Ward
Yes. Awesome. I guess I actually did a live stream for everybody so that everybody could watch the premiere at the exact same time.

Bradley Hodges
My general feelings about the episode you know, I came I came to it with a lot of ban. Is this going to be as good as the first is a lot to live up to? You know, I’ve got a lot of heart in this hunt at this point. What is this going to be about a man I tell you, I absolutely loved it. I enjoyed it so much. I loved the way they approached it. I loved the the sidebar themes that they threw in. I loved that they gave people period nicknames like d&d. I love that there’s a DeLorean. I love the technology that they use to go back in history, so they could kind of see what the parks look like at a previous point in time. I loved the entire ship. I loved

Matt Sparks
every minute of it. There was yes, there was a lot of fun stuff. To see. The last time I saw the goddess of the forest. It was in pieces. I mean, it was there was I’m I didn’t realize that so much of it still exists. So they restored it between when I saw it last time, where right where they went to see it. But it was just basically the front of it. So there’s more out

Bradley Hodges
there. So I thought be the front that was all those left.

Matt Sparks
Well, it was it was in pieces. Really, you know, so yeah, and, you know, the backs missing? I think they had pieces of it that they were treating or restoring, you know, separately from the front and I think because what I just as I recall, it wasn’t near as massive as it was when I saw it.

Bradley Hodges
And you saw it there in the park or in the museum.

Matt Sparks
I saw it there in the museum in a stairway there at the at the college.

George Ward
Yeah, I thought the episode was epic. Like I laughed my ass off for that. Like when when they had to hold back to the future scene. And somebody off camera was like, Hey, Calvin. Josh cases like why don’t you call me. I laughed my ass off the the the Stranger Things secret to bumper. It was the whole intro the ad style intro. Everything about this episode was super entertaining. The guys for me you did an amazing job.

Matt Sparks
They did the Indiana Jones search through the museum, the search through the warehouse. It was great. Yeah.

George Ward
But one of my favorite things about this episode that they didn’t do in the first was they made very specific like you that you need to respect the parks. Like I think they stopped twice to say we got permission to do this. Don’t take without permission. And I think that was that was really honorable of them to make that point.

Matt Sparks
And very appreciated. Yes, very

George Ward
appreciate first. So

Bradley Hodges
it sounds like we all really enjoyed the show. Some of us actually had some behind the scenes experience with the production. I think George, did they reach out to you for any information?

George Ward
Let me see if I can answer that. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Yeah. So the podcasts worked with you for a code we’ve been working with a year for. We worked with EU before the first episode right the podcast team With JM and Brian and Andy. Matt, I think you did some stuff for you gave them some stuff for the first episode too, right? Yeah. So yeah, we’ve been working with them, sort of behind the scenes, giving them information, getting them some access. I did a couple of things for him in St. Augustine that obviously didn’t turn up anything. I did a couple of digs for him and and Charleston that didn’t turn up anything. I even went to Louisville to dig for them and didn’t turn up for anything. But yeah, it’s it’s sort of been an ongoing process. EU has embraced the community, like no other production has been there’s been a couple of there’s been episodes about the secret. There’s been newspaper articles and magazine articles or whatever but EU is sort of just embrace the community and worked with it’s, it’s been, it’s been a crazy ride.

Bradley Hodges
So you’re saying not only do we have the news in San Francisco stalking your Facebook page, but he’s probably keeping an eye on it as well.

George Ward
Dude, if you had any idea how many producers are in the Facebook page, you would go nuts. Seriously?

Bradley Hodges
And man, how about yourself with your experience with this most recent you episode? You could share with us?

Matt Sparks
Sure it was JM and I were basically we said we have some possibility locations we want to check out but you know, the permitting process in San Francisco is such that we you can dig one hole and working through EU and EU working with the parks department. We got permission to do multiple searches on the same day. And that was really really, really nice.

George Ward
Yeah. And yes, I’ll give you that. Like, I’ve got to give them props, the amount of connections that that television show gave us has been crazy. And the access they gave us to different parks and different people. It’s been great. And we’re super appreciative.

Bradley Hodges
Sounds like not only are they reaching out to you guys for help, but they’re absolutely giving help back to you guys. It’s almost as if maybe we’re getting a little bit more from them that they might be getting from us. Yeah. Yeah,

George Ward
I felt that. Yeah.

Bradley Hodges
Thanks to you.

George Ward
Yeah. And yeah, and by the way, we learned Josh gates listens to the show. So hi, Josh.

Bradley Hodges
Hey, Josh. Really. Thanks for Thanks for listening in. If you run up to us in public, we will definitely give you our autograph. Yeah.

George Ward
I’ll sign some stuff for you.

Bradley Hodges
I mean, how awesome was that in the episode with with Alice Cooper? Just Oh my God. You’re Josh gates. Yeah, it was crazy.

Matt Sparks
So Alice Cooper said he watched all the EU episodes. He said, Yeah, right. Yeah, that means he’s watched the Secret Episode. So and he’s prominently on our Facebook page is a secret hunter. I think there’s analysis on there. So, you know, how cool would it be to

George Ward
be like a personality, you know, and then to just be walking down the street and one of your idols is like, Dude, it’s you. Like, like, Matt, how awesome would it be to be walking down like the street in Cleveland or somewhere in Powell and cars, just like, Dude, you’re mad. I gotta say hi to you.

Matt Sparks
I’ve actually had people come up to me and go, are you molted Falcon? And I’m like, Okay, this is either really scary or really funny. So but yeah,

Bradley Hodges
yeah, it was a matter of fact, when we were walking in aquatic Park, it says I’d never met Matt before. We were walking over to the meetup site, and there’s somebody across the street, that kind of wave. So I just kind of like wave back and turn around. He kept walking. And then you’re just like, that’s Matt. That’s like, holy crap. So that was exciting. The you episode. I think we started off with Charleston as the first site that was mentioned and that we got a walkthrough on. So some very interesting information that came to light during the episode and maybe some information that was already out there that some of our members brought to light but um, I think it was first brought to the public’s eye. And that’s that cap. Stan, what do you think about that?

George Ward
Yeah, they they really treated like this as an employee. I think his name was koi koi did a great job. Like in in Charleston, he treated the hunt with respect. He was super excited. That was That was amazing. The cap Stan, it was great that Josh could find the cap Stan, right in municipal storage where we’ve known it’s been for like 20 years now.

Matt Sparks
And why didn’t he turn on the lights in the warehouse? Well, Josh

George Ward
never finds anything, man. He can’t find the light switch. Okay,

Bradley Hodges
it’s got to be good TV. I mean, come on, if they don’t. Why Josh rarely finds what he’s looking for. He has found some very awesome things and I love his show.

George Ward
Yeah, I’ll say it was cool to be able to see that Um, the plaque. Alright, we don’t really have any good shots of the plaque like we know what it says. But it was kind of cool to see that that plaque still exists. It’s still sitting there.

Matt Sparks
Yeah. And it’s right next to the gap, Stan.

George Ward
Yeah. Plastic put it back in the park.

Bradley Hodges
Please do.

Matt Sparks
We wasn’t the cap Stan originally out at the Citadel? I don’t know. I thought

George Ward
it was always in White Point gardens.

Matt Sparks
I thought it was like you can be right.

George Ward
I don’t know.

Matt Sparks
So many originally on a boat

Bradley Hodges
somewhere. So.

George Ward
So what I know about Charleston is they had a, they had a couple of digs, they were only really allowed to take a couple of holes. But I talked to the GPR. I talked to someone involved in the GPR. And but not necessarily the guy who did the GPR and Charleston, and found out that entire area that entire half of the park was completely GPR.

Matt Sparks
And the North northern east half of the park.

George Ward
Yeah, that whole whole half of the park from from the the Jackson monument, Jasper, the Jasper monument back, that was all JPR. And they were allowed to dig several of their most promising spots. And they dug them all and they found nothing. Now that includes my most promising spot by the park benches, where we found the Plexiglas two years ago now they dug that and they didn’t find anything else. They dug the hole by the the daughters of the Confederacy monument, which was a thing we were saying before, a previously dug hole by one of the Facebook members. That was that was the coolest comment in the live stream when he was just like, that’s my whole that was great.

Matt Sparks
Which, which brings something that you’re going to clear up for us. Okay, so when they GPR and they see disturbed soil, you know, it looks like arches on the GPR screen. But now you have a plexiglass box and a fake cask. Yes, it you’ve buried yes, we’re going to let it sit for a while. And then you’re going to GPR it to show us what it really should look like

George Ward
we’re going to do more than that. A lot taller than me. So here’s what we’re gonna do with the box. We have buried the box in an undisclosed location, yet important place in secret mythology. It has been buried two feet below the earth in a place where no one will bother it. And the people who are in charge of this place know where it is. So they know not to let people bother it. It is buried next to a cinderblock. It is buried next to a giant rock and then just buried next to a Brit. And I’m going to sit let it sit for about a week or so. And then I’m going to take a probe at a mic, a very, very good mic, and we’re going to probe the plexiglass box. We’re going to probe the rock the cinderblock, we’re going to see the differences in sound in these things. We’re going to find out what a cask sounds like when a probe hits it. And then we’re going to let the box sit there and do nothing for six months or so. Let the ground settle. And then we’re going to run over with a GPR and see what it looks like under a GPR.

Matt Sparks
Do you have a borescope?

George Ward
I can get one there like 20 bucks. So yeah, that’s a good idea. We should look we should look at it more. Or get a borescope. Yeah, well check it out with a borescope. Ed. Yeah. Then if it’s okay with you, Matt. Well, no. I don’t remember now it’s on the ground, the lid of yours comes off, right? Yes, it wasn’t sealed on after we after we GPR will take the lid off of it will pack that damn thing with dirt will bury it again. And we’ll look at that. Because my main issue, my main issue with these GPR hours as half of these casts are up north, you know, and they’re not airtight or they’re not watertight. And even if they were watertight after 40 years, they’re not watertight anymore. Water is going to have seeped in, it’s going to freeze expand, it’s going to break these boxes, and they’re gonna get filled with dirt. So I want to see what this thing looks like when it’s full of dirt. And or fill it with water. And yet, either Well, if I just break open the top and I fill it with dirt, it’s gonna fill up with water naturally, we’re gonna see it sort of in its natural environment just sitting in the dirt with the dirt settled. So it’ll it’ll settle a lot of a lot of questions. What are these things sound like? Well, I can’t really illustrate what they feel like but at least be able to describe it and what do they look like under a GPR? Right so it’s a good Great, great project that podcast team is taking on. Thank you Matt for donating your replica cask and box. Hopefully we’ll get some answers for everybody.

Bradley Hodges
And speaking of Metro casket box, I forgot to mention this during the meetup conversation earlier. If you are out hunting and you do not have a way to get this casket back home safely, you have not thoroughly thought out your rod. This amazing little box it was a moment why don’t why don’t you tell us about it? Tell us about your your when I find it. I want to keep it safe box.

Matt Sparks
Well, yeah, I was like so if I actually dig one of these things up, what am I going to hold it the whole way home because I you know, live several hours from San Francisco. So I thought well, I’ll I know the size of the case. So I laser cut out of foam, a custom fit. carrier to hold the lid, the cask and the key separate from the plexiglass box and the plexiglass lid. So everything’s wrapped in foam. And it’s going to be protected as you drive along.

George Ward
And now that’s in the trunk of my car. Thank you for that great gift. Yeah,

Matt Sparks
now you’re welcome.

Bradley Hodges
Legit. Yeah, it’s really good. If you haven’t seen the the livestream that we did, go watch it, we got some footage of it. It’s legit. I’ll post

George Ward
some pictures up on the Facebook page.

Matt Sparks
It was made out of Tupperware, not a fancy word and top of Rubbermaid bin and exercise mats from Walmart,

George Ward
that it’s legit, I like it.

Matt Sparks
The other thing that I was thinking about is if you ever find one of these things, and you pull it out of the ground, you’re gonna leave a big hole in the ground. And parks don’t want you leaving big holes. So I was thinking, well, rather than just filling it in with dirt, I wouldn’t have I can stick the you know, fake cask in there and take the other cast with me.

Bradley Hodges
Oh, you don’t mention his note that says, Sorry, I beat you to Matt,

George Ward
you don’t carry around a bag of dirt. I carry on a bag of dirt I got like it’s it’s super lame. Now that I think about it. And I probably shouldn’t say it because it makes you sound like a nerd. But I just went out to Walmart and bought a bag of potting soil. And whenever I dig if I if I leave a divot of any kind, which I’ve done several times I just spread out some potting soil. So if you ever see random potting soil around a hole in one of your parks. Hi.

Bradley Hodges
So we were talking about the expedition unknown episode, we talked about the cap. Stan, one of the questions I had for you that for the people who have been boots on the ground. I know you’ve been there, George, man, have you been to Charleston yet?

Matt Sparks
I have been through Charleston. And when this is where a cask is driving nice,

George Ward
I’ll do this park.

Bradley Hodges
At one point, they had a point of interest, but they didn’t dig because they felt the dirt was just too compact. It was too hard to dig. Do what are your feelings about that? Because my feelings about that are? Why would you dig? I know it’s hard but make it happen? No,

George Ward
you don’t understand man that sand is packed. Probably something I shouldn’t say. But I will. When the when Charleston had their last hurricane. A year or so ago. I was asked to go down and help volunteer. As you know a member of the fire department and EMS I officially help. When I got there. There. They didn’t really have a hurricane. But the whole city was evacuated and they put me at the battery. Like I was stationed at the battery. So I’m sitting there with all of my tools at the battery with nothing to do no hurricane going on. So I use my probe in that sandy area. And and Josh is right. Even with the ground saturated, it’s just too hard. You can’t dig that. It’s like digging rock.

Bradley Hodges
So what do you think the chances are that it was possible to bury it there and 1980s?

Matt Sparks
I don’t know. It depends. Yeah, it depends on if you were landscaping it happen. Yeah.

George Ward
I know. So the cap Stan was when the cap Stan was removed and this is a big thing on the wiki. The wiki thinks that the the cast was right in front of the caps are right behind the cap stand in the sand. When the cap Stan was removed. It wasn’t just like, they didn’t just pick it up with a crane and carted off. There was an excavation and it was done by the city archaeologist and the city archaeologist dug out several feet from where the capstone is and recorded everything they found. They found some old pottery, they found some bones they found a bunch of buttons, but they didn’t find a cask. So the odds that the cast was ever buried in front of, or behind that monument? Slim to none. There’s some pictures on 12 treasures on the Charleston page of the newspaper article where they talk about the excavation, and it shows where the monument was. And then they dug out a couple couple three feet. I mean, it’s a really clear picture. And it I mean that the whole article illustrates, it describes exactly what they found there was there was never a cast there.

Bradley Hodges
Fair enough. So what did we learn from this episode? In Charleston? Yeah, well, Did either of you have a takeaway from this episode for Charleston? No.

Matt Sparks
It dug in the wrong spot.

George Ward
Yeah. So did we learn anything in Charleston? No, I don’t really think so. It was super entertaining. I think they skipped over a lot of important parts of the verse like the bar that binds they really didn’t touch on that. And according to the verse, that’s where you need to dig. And by the, the Confederate statue, there’s not really a bar. But other than that, no, I thought they treated Charleston with respect, I thought it was fun.

Matt Sparks
I always thought the bar that binds was because I’ve never seen it in Charleston never seen pictures of it. But I’ve certainly seen the things they put in trees to support the long mat AC use cables, but before they use cast iron rods, with eyelets on each end, to keep branches from falling down. Well, fair enough. The two path theory works really well in Charleston, the front front and I am not an expert on Charleston whatsoever. But it starts at Fort Sumter and comes in where the fort Sumpter ferry, connects and then goes right down the coast to the park. And the other one comes in from what is that the pear blossom bridge or something? Ehrmann bridge? Yeah. And comes down and hits the other side of the park?

George Ward
Yeah. Yeah, we talked about that. That was that’s been you’ve talked about that for a really long time. I remember us talking about that years ago.

Matt Sparks
But it works better if there’s two paths.

Bradley Hodges
All right. So EU episode kind of did what I did. They flew from my coast all the way over to San Francisco for the next half of the show. And they showed us Golden Gate Park which I went to San Francisco and I did not step foot in Golden Gate Park. There was a huge concert going on. There’s a huge concert going on. And so I’ll be 100% honest, I don’t like being around a ton of strangers while I’m trying to do things that may or may not be considered illegal. So I did not step foot in, said I honestly I regret that. But they took us into Golden Gate Park George, you said you got a chance to go there while you’re there. Just

George Ward
just sort of I technically got to Golden Golden Gate Park. I went to the Panhandle. A couple of days before we left a member on Facebook posted something about a church that was right by the Panhandle and wanted somebody to go check it out. I told him I would so I got to actually go there. So it was only technically Golden Gate Park. But it was still it was gorgeous. It was beautiful.

Bradley Hodges
Yeah, we have a team of community members that have a spot that they want to check out. And I already reached out to them via Facebook Messenger and apologize that we weren’t able to get there and probe and dig because of that concert. But you know if we ever get another opportunity to or if we have somebody else in San Francisco that can do that. for that. We’ll we’ll definitely get that. Yeah,

George Ward
I got I got to go check it out. I couldn’t, I couldn’t find a place to dig. I just couldn’t Well, I mean, it was broad daylight and I didn’t have permission anyway. But I couldn’t narrow down the spot. Like he kind of wanted it to be narrowed down. It just didn’t really work on site for me. That’s not to say it won’t work or somebody else but it didn’t work for me.

Bradley Hodges
So in San Francisco, there are as we mentioned before, a ton of different areas, a ton of different ways to interpret the image a ton of different ways to interpret the verse. But we got to walk through with Josh gates, Dustin and Deidre love their nickname DND and they took us through the park and Matt I think the kind of the general walkthrough they took from the doors to the from the gate to the goddess was solved that you’ve had on I think ki 40 for some time. Can you kind of walk us through that?

Matt Sparks
Okay, so basically, starting at the lodge, McLaren lodge right there at the right near the Panhandle is a beautiful, beautiful stone building with doors on it. So the the theory was that Stonewall store next spot over the air smells sweet is the concern inventory of flowers. Now, in the picture is the silhouette that’s been discussed back and forth as either Lincoln, JFK or even Ronald Reagan. But if you’re going to pass McLaren Lodge, and you’re going past the Conservatory of Flowers, you’re on JFK Boulevard. So then magic happens. So the the, the, you know, they only have so much time to put clues in to their TV show. So the rest of the verse we kind of glossed over, although there’s, there’s great solutions all along that route for that verse. And I know in in the episode in the episode, they mentioned that the high points were three could have been Sutro Tower, but the the Japanese hence suggests that the posts are wood. So they pointed at the the finials on the Conservatory of Flowers of Witcher three, but those are iron. I don’t know if Dustin or Deidre knew that those were iron. Those are

George Ward
lightning rods, lightning rods, thank

Matt Sparks
you. So but anyway, magic happens down the way. You know, we skipped past education, injustice and Aces High in first across, but that’s okay, because you can just look all that stuff up. And we ended up at that goddess of the forest totem pole, which I very, very familiar with the goddess of the forest. And I think it was almost two years ago, Dustin called me and said or texted me and said he’s got a new take on the goddess of the forest. And where he told me, he told me where not why. And it was basically asking me if I’d ever dug out there and I I had not dug out there. And as far as I know, no one else is dug out

George Ward
there the goddess of the forest space. I thought you dug like a trench around it.

Matt Sparks
Oh, no, no, no Dustin, spot was not at the goddess his spot was. Let me let me see which direction that’s going to be south east? Or is that

George Ward
where the shadow hits? Yeah, face to

Matt Sparks
face in the goddess of the forest. It’s to the left and back a little bit. So it was, you know, it was it was a non explored spot.

Bradley Hodges
So about two years ago, Dustin also reached out to me to mention to me, Hey, I think we’ve got something figured out. I think we may have figured out how to unlock and solve each of the puzzles. Like I don’t want to I don’t want to go into too much detail until we really got this down, Pat. But I think we’ve got something here. And he let me know back then he’s like the first place we want to try this is San Francisco. And so we’re watching the X expedition unknown episode. And then Dustin says we’ve got the secret of the secret.

George Ward
So here’s what I’m gonna say. We got to talk about the secret of the secret, right? There’s no, there’s no getting around it and we asked Dustin and Deidre if they would like to come on and explain this off. Because it’s a little it’s a little complex, right? It’s got it’s got tricky little parts. And we wanted to give them the opportunity to come on and explain it themselves. They politely declined. You had other stuff going on whatever. So I am going to have to do that for them. And the only way that I know how to do that is to go back in time to to harness the power of Dungeons and Dragons to become d&d and explain their solve.

Raging radiation across the West press one Oh that’s what I understand to be the secret of the secret. At some, okay, so in these verses there are zodiac signs, which some of them I can see some of them not so much. You know, some of them seem a little forced. Hide,

Matt Sparks
no, I got no problem with the zodiac signs, because we got we know, the month we know month. The flowers are there. Well, we know, some, some images have months, some images have flowers. Yeah, it seems a little bit, you’re gonna tell me if you’re gonna tell me some images have zodiac signs? Okay,

George Ward
some of them. But I can’t I can’t stretch that across all of them. Here’s my main problem. We know that there’s times associated with some of them, we know that there are months associated with all of them. But zodiac signs don’t follow along the same lines as months. Just because I was born in January doesn’t necessarily make me a Capricorn, you know. So it’s kind of a stretch to say, this is the January puzzle, therefore Capricorn. Well,

Matt Sparks
in it, you know, in in Chicago, they say there’s the Taurus, the bull. And there’s the Gemini symbol. So the point would be

George Ward
so they just, they say they’re both they’re both of those, like, each image holds to

Matt Sparks
Instagram, I’m just gonna say in Chicago, I can Okay, for each. Okay, so, which gives us the day of? I’m January, February, March, April, May 21. Okay, so, okay, May 21. That, and it’s the fifth image. Right? So 5pm? Right. Yeah. It’s image, five 5pm. So now, he’s got a website that these posted several times called Sun Calc. I’m not enamored with that website. Yeah, so the NOAA National Oceanographic and Atmospheric website, and I put in the same date and time. And the bearing I got for the sun was seven, I can’t remember seven to 10 degrees off of what he got.

George Ward
Yeah. Which doesn’t sound like a lot, but it is when you’re talking about shadows. And

Matt Sparks
when, because, because because at this

Bradley Hodges
time, you’re off by an inch, you’re off by a mile.

Matt Sparks
Yeah, I mean, if you check in minutes and seconds in, you know, as the movement of the sky sun across the sky, but in this particular instance, if you go with the Bering Sun count comes up with it puts the sun a little bit south of west, which means the shadows moved to the northwest. Northeast. Okay, if you go with Noah, it puts the sun a little bit north of West, which means the shadow falls to the south east. Theory, if this theory is correct, then, I mean, the whole point of the theory is it points to the spot, not near this spot, not about it the spot, the spot on the spot? Well, we’re arguing back and forth about you know, is this one accurate? Is that one accurate? And you know what, you know, he came up with these, he said, you know, what, next May 24, neck next May 21. Let’s have somebody in the park with a camera. And, you know, we got people who live in Chicago, they can do that. And they’ll be there to take a picture of it at 5pm. And, you know, well,

George Ward
yeah, and we won’t really know, we won’t, we won’t really know because, and that’s it’s going to be a problem. And we won’t really know because we don’t really know where Chicago was. In the beginning. The first the first newspaper article, they had the dig Spock in a completely different place than they did an expedition unknown and even in the podcast, Rob was like, Dude, this was 30 some odd years ago I don’t remember what where exactly the hole is that we dug. And that’s going to be a big problem. My biggest argument my biggest keep it simple, stupid argument for this is how many casts do we have? We got to to have been found? How many of those solutions needed shadows? Zero.

Bradley Hodges
Well, let’s play devil’s advocate. So just because they didn’t need shadows doesn’t mean that shadows weren’t involved. Okay. All right. Oh, that they missed. They missed so many clues. All right, especially in Chicago, but they still found it.

Matt Sparks
Helpful. If they weren’t there on that day in that time, they wouldn’t see the shadow so they wouldn’t notice. Okay. That’s a good point. Same thing happen in, you know, January, February, March, April, in Cleveland next April. Get somebody there to take picture of that.

George Ward
Yeah. So here would be my rebuttal. Rob didn’t really get to meet with Byron. But Brian did. And they went through the solution for Cleveland and Chicago and shadows came up legit zero times, when Rob sent their solution to Byron. And Byron said, I can’t You’re right, you’re right in the spot. I don’t know why you can’t find it. shadows were mentioned zero times. So we found two casts without shadows. And we’ve dug at least one spot with them, and found no cask. Now I’ll give him we don’t know the exact dimensions of the Goddess, you know, so he could have been off a little bit. And it was augmented reality. So the shadows not, you know, I’ll give him that. There’s a lot of there’s a lot of reasons why you want to found it.

Matt Sparks
Just to just to be clear, before the TV show was there and everything they were there with? You know, they plotted it out realistically.

George Ward
Yeah, I mean, I’m sure they did. It’s, you know, it’s reality with

Matt Sparks
neat and cool for the show. But they did the math

George Ward
while I’m trying to give him an hour. Like if it’s an exact thing. If, if this shadow was supposed to point to an exact spot, and you’ve got the math, and you know where that shadow was, that cast should be there. And it wasn’t. That’s fair. And one other thing, when EU had me dig at the fountain of youth for them, they had me dig to very specific spots. They gave me coordinates, they gave me feet, they gave me angles off of two very specific things. One was a little picnic area next to Kokino wall, where they had me go a certain angle off the wall back a certain amount of feet. And the other was the wiki fountain, they had me go like, to the left of the Winky fountain. And then back towards the planetarium, a certain number of feet, they gave me an exact spot where we had to get somebody down there to do math and figure out the angles and figure out exactly where we were supposed to dig. And we dug both of those holes. And guess what we found? When the cast, so we’re over to here are over three if you count both holes. Now, I’ll say this. Let me walk back a little bit. I don’t think any of us, even before the shadow thing believed that the goddess of the forests was the right place, right? The Shadow thing could still work in San Francisco, maybe they’re just in the wrong spot. Like we know, these these images have caught some some of these images have clocks in them. We don’t really know why. It’s possible that shadows have something, you know, time and dates or whatever. It’s possible, it’s unlikely that it fits all of them. And that was the only real issue I had when you’re putting forth. We have the secret answer to the whole of the secret. It should fit. It doesn’t. Maybe you got a really good idea about some of these puzzles. And I think I think this could work in some of them. But not all of them.

Matt Sparks
Also, just you know, as as you know, a fair point. The EU producers want you to jazz it up.

George Ward
Oh yeah.

Matt Sparks
So yeah, if you come on TV going. We got a pretty good idea. You know, yeah.

George Ward
Dustin, that’s gonna Dieter did a good job. They did a really good job on that. Absolutely.

Bradley Hodges
They did a phenomenal job. And how many it’s not even talking about the secret all the different episodes that we’ve watched and Josh is talking to somebody. Has there ever been a single guest that hasn’t said 100%? Absolutely. I know where it is.

Matt Sparks
A million times.

George Ward
I’ve said on multiple podcasts. It’s

Matt Sparks
my favorite. My favorite part of the episode. And it was it was the shot of Deidre probing the ground there with her I’m there with

George Ward
feel it’s like I was I was laughing my ass off with that. Not at her but with her like, Oh, yes, yeah. Oh, yes. I

Matt Sparks
was like, Oh, I’m

George Ward
so angry.

Bradley Hodges
Yeah, absolutely. So

Matt Sparks
that face on. I’ve had that face on at the goddess many times.

George Ward
So yeah, I’ll give them that man. Even some of these verses even mentioned shadows, a couple of them, you know New York mentioned shadows. Charles mentioned shadows.

Matt Sparks
Two verses have shadows in them. Yep. Yes. Yeah. So maybe they’re right there

Bradley Hodges
straight up. Yeah. I mean, it’s it. Carlson straight up. If I remember correctly, you know, I’m just pull it up just I’m not that guy. Yeah, it says right there, it says, beside the long palm shadow embedded in the sand, I can’t be more clear than that.

Matt Sparks
It does, say beside it

Bradley Hodges
at it correct. But you’re still using the shadow. And it lets you know, in this puzzle, it’s not going to be in the shadow, it’s going to be right next to it. New York, it starts off the very first two lines is in the shadow of the great giant. So I’m digging the shadow idea, just not all of

George Ward
them. The thing that I worry about, the thing that I worry about in presenting this sort of all encompassing idea is that it presents a solution which may or may not work to a wide audience as the solution and could stop progress of the rest of the puzzles. If that makes sense. If we all of the sudden assume that everything has shadows instead of working. Then maybe I just didn’t say that. Number one. Well,

Matt Sparks
you said it, you said it correctly. And I get accused of being mean, to new people in the hunt. And I welcome everybody, I really do. The thing that will get me going is when you say I’ve got a solution. It’s the solution. Because what you’re, you know what you’re saying when you say that is everybody else should basically stop digging? Yeah. Because I’ve figured this out. You know, and you’re you know that I mean, that I don’t, I just can’t handle when somebody says, you know, I’ve got it, you just need to stop digging, because I figured it out. Yeah. You know, it’s like, where’s your cask? Show me your cask? I’ll stop digging there. And I think

Bradley Hodges
in all fairness for for d&d, I don’t think they had any option, but to present it that way. And I think 100% They feel that that is back. You know, whether I agree with that or not, clearly, I don’t for the entire puzzle. But I think, you know, in all, in all honesty, that’s how they feel that they have figured it out. And that’s how that works. And in the show, they needed to present it in that fashion. But just for forum etiquette and online conversation, this topic comes up a lot. And it is deflating for new searchers that don’t really have a background and the context of this hunt. And all of the history of it and the information that has been uncovered. No different theories out there and kind of how we bounce ideas off of each other. When they see a post that says, Oh, here’s the solve it. I’ve got it. They stop. They lose all that excitement and all that joy that brought them to the forum. They see that and they don’t have enough information to keep them going. They think oh, man, I missed it. And that’s it. We just lost that user.

Matt Sparks
That’s That’s correct. I actually I was Googling I. Today, I think it was New York. And in one of the results that popped up was the solution to the secret New York. And it wasn’t the solution. But that’s how it pops up in the Google. You know, search engine. Yeah.

George Ward
And I’ll give you I’ll give you this d&d, obviously had to play it up for Expedition unknown. It’s a, it’s a TV show, you’ve got to you’ve got to, I’ve got the answers. But then after that episode, they had all this time in the world to write as many articles as they want saying, like, this is our idea, you know, and it may not be correct, whatever. This is our idea, work with it, you know, Dustin, especially. And I hate it for him, at least on my end, I’ve seen him catch a lot of slack. You know, I’ve seen the people in the Facebook groups, like when someone someone new came in and was like, Do you guys by the shadow of the shadow thing? Every single comment was just flat. No, you know, and Dustin went into queue for tea, admittedly not the most welcoming place and tried to explain his theory and just got shut down. And I think it’s because of the way it’s being presented. You know, it’s not being presented as let’s have a conversation about this idea. It’s, here is the answer, except it and then when you come to question it, it’s just like, No, all ideas are great. We’re not really going to talk about it. We’re not going to talk about anything negative or whatever. The way it’s being presented. It’s sort of shot him in the foot. I don’t know. It’s just my opinion,

Matt Sparks
also, of the earth You come up with a theory, and, and you want to defend your theory, let’s test the heck out of it. Let’s just, you know if there’s, if there’s one, if there’s one website that does calculations to tell you what the shadow is great, if there’s nine, let’s use all nine and compare the numbers.

George Ward
You’re right, just test it, test it, and if it works, accept it, if it doesn’t, discard it.

Matt Sparks
But Dustin did say, you know, let’s let’s, you know, great, let’s get some people at the sites on the dais with cameras. You know, and that’s a great idea. Because you can’t argue with that. You cannot argue with that. Except, like, like Bradley said, you know, it’s like, well, we don’t know where the hole in Chicago actually was. We have a pretty good idea.

Bradley Hodges
So what did we learn from the San Francisco portion of the you episode? Matt, anything new? Take that as a no.

Matt Sparks
Yeah. What did we learn new? Well,

George Ward
I learned where a sewer pipe was. I’m glad that I am not the sewer pipe thing anymore.

Matt Sparks
If you dig if you dig my, it’s not a sewer pipe. It’s an irrigation line. And it’s it’s on my map of where I dug in front of the goddess because it goes over there. Yeah. I like

George Ward
that every single EU episode so far, that’s been done about the secret. All they found is a pipe. pipe or a piece of

Matt Sparks
pipe? Yeah. I’m just what I was just, I was just thinking though, they were they were really pushing those probes down into the ground. And that is a five inch PVC irrigation line with some incredible water pressure. Oh,

George Ward
man, I got to touch on that. Somebody on the Facebook group the other day was posting about how they were probing in I think it was San Francisco and they were using a rubber mallet to like hammer their probe into the ground. These Oh, don’t do that. Yeah, these casks, like lexan or lexan, slex and right that they’re made out of, it’s strong, but it’s been in the ground for 40 years. Like you’re gonna hammer through this thing. Be gentle with probes, like even Dustin and Deidre. They were being really forceful and putting all their weight behind it. You’re gonna punch through these things if you do that. Like they’re strong, but they’re old and have deteriorated. Be careful.

Matt Sparks
The interesting thing about the dirt in Golden Gate Park is Golden Gate parks basically built on a giant sand dune. And you go down beneath six inches of topsoil, and you’re in wet sand. And yes, and when you in speech sand, and when you push down on a probe in in the beach sand, the beach sand compacts. Yeah. And so it’s harder and harder. And then and then it’s hard enough that it makes the sound that you’ve hit some

George Ward
Digger Pro Tip those the probes are long man, you can wiggle them, you can move sand out of the way on the edge, just wiggle your probe and it will slide down. It’s not as easy as hammering in with a mallet. But, you know, be gentle.

Bradley Hodges
Georgia saying Be gentle. But Matt, when you showed us your homebuilt acrylic box. You had some pretty good marks on the top of that. You mentioned you you gave it a good one point you might use all of your bodyweight, right I

Matt Sparks
did. I used I use. I use my bully Pro, which is the thick one from Amazon. And it was down two and a half feet. And I was pounding it down into the top of it. Trying to break the law. Yes, but at all you know what? You’re right, because they’re 40 years old. They’re

George Ward
old, and they’re exposed to the elements and to water and dirt and bugs and roots. And you know, you don’t know the condition of these casts. I don’t know them just me gentle. Because I don’t want to find a cast with a big hole in it.

Matt Sparks
Yeah, I mean, I scarred my lid. But I was not able to shatter my lid and I was trying.

George Ward
I mean I’ve seen I’ve seen people they hit a rock and then they just pound and pound and pound like what are you trying to do? You’ve hit something you’ve stopped. Are you literally trying to break it? Like I don’t know that’s you pull the

Matt Sparks
probe out of the ground and you stick the camera down Yeah, or only cost $30 or dig a hole. Anyway, anything else that you guys want to talk about about the EU episode? Oh, no. I got no there’s no okay,

George Ward
so Kitt blew our blow our minds just destroyed everybody’s outlook on. I have no idea like that. So Kitt did the craziest thing. A Facebook member Jason Olson was talking about New York just a random conversation and kit, pal and car throws pictures of the original painting on Facebook. The first time we’ve ever seen the full New York image. Or maybe No, it wasn’t the fault. Yeah, we saw three quarters. Yeah, we didn’t get to see the waves.

Bradley Hodges
And you thought that Montreal was mind blowing and diverse EU episode when we saw that the photo was covered up. Yeah, Jesus Christ, the church isn’t even there. What is that about? I

George Ward
told you that church was important, I told you the color was important. That printing it was too weird, it’s got to be the color, the specific color of that church has to be important in some way.

Bradley Hodges
Matt, you and I are having a conversation about how they photograph these images and how they could possibly be doing post edits on these having the image on the wall in one room, then kind of a glass window and then the camera on the other side and you know taping things up on the window, things like that, you know, how they would have done editing to these in post production in the 80s Can you talk a little bit about how you think that might have happened.

Matt Sparks
Okay, so basically, the camera is a, the size of a room and the lens is in, in one wall, and they would put the image on one wall, the film would be a very large sheet of film, we’re talking four feet by you know, three feet on the wall of the second room. Everything was there, I mean, we’re not talking computer graphics, everything was manual pay step. So they you know, if they wanted to add things or remove things, they would actually be cut out and put on the wall on top of the image or added to the film afterwards. Not double exposure but actually cut into the film. So that you know placed on top of the negative

George Ward
A while back we noticed that the the the onion domes were paint were printed a little differently. So I went to a printer and I asked about the process for that. And they told me that there’s generally when you print books in the 80s, you would use a four color press there would be black, or was it black, cyan, magenta, and it was there was a four color press and they said sometimes you add a fifth color. Generally the four colors you can use the blend together to trick your eye into seeing the color that they want you to see. But the fifth color is a very specific color and he said it they said is usually used for when a company’s doing letterhead. And like FedEx, they have a very specific blue for their logo or Walmart has a specific blue or whatever, they want to use that very specific color for their letterhead. So the fifth press is yours when you want to use a very specific color. And that was my first clue that something’s off with these this church there’s some there’s a different way that you need to view it. That’s what started me down the path of this color is important. And with Kitt coming out and saying stuff about color filters with the dots. I’m starting to I’m sticking with my colors important.

Bradley Hodges
I finally ordered myself a set of the blue and red 3d glasses specifically for this so I’m still waiting to come in but I’m excited to use those to take a look I kind of rocked your mind yeah,

George Ward
I think we I’ve been looking at it with those I think forest blight bought an entire set of of photographic color filters was like 200 different colors and he’s been looking at the image through each of those can’t figure it out man I hope I hope somebody out there now that we have the original image and an idea of what’s going on with the colors and with the church I hope somebody can figure that out.

Bradley Hodges
And yeah heavy there’s there’s it’s some man counting the dots using color filters. Who knows? But cheese there’s it’s almost like it’s either a terrible puzzle or it’s so freakin genius. And I’m leaning towards so freaking genius. Seeing the original so

George Ward
friggin genius and so friggin hard.

Matt Sparks
When Byron reacted to the puzzle, he said that was really hard. So the dot puzzle. Yeah, the bubbles. So, okay.

Bradley Hodges
And this settles it. jjp signature is on the clock. So we’ve got that. Yep.

George Ward
That settles one argument. I think I think the New York image settles a lot of arguments you’ve got before people were looking a little too hard to find sort of hidden stuff. Now that we can see it clearly. It just doesn’t seem to really be anything hidden in that image, it seems. It seems like yeah, what you what you need to see is right there. Right there in front of you. Yep. Just figuring out as hard. Yep.

Bradley Hodges
All right, very hard.

George Ward
So I guess that wraps it up for New York. So Matt’s gone. That was a really good conversation about the New York image. We’ve been talking a lot about the San Francisco meetup, and we decided to plan a new one, we’re going to have a meet up in St. Augustine. The date has been set for December 7. At one in the afternoon, that’s going to be the fountain of youth. We’ve got John Fraser is all on board. He’s He’s welcoming, welcoming everybody into his park, you’re still gonna have to pay the admissions fee. But he’s going to be on site. He’s gonna give the entire group a personal tour through the park, talk about its history, especially the history you’re sort of interested in where things were, where they’ve been moved, how the parks evolved, since you know, the castes were buried. And then he’s going to do a q&a. He’s going to answer all of your questions about the park. And he is very, very excited about this. We got a couple of other surprises planned for the for the meetup. But that’s that’s all you get for right now. So if you wished you could have made it to the San Francisco meetup. Make plans to come down to the st. The St. Augustine one is going to be great.

Bradley Hodges
Yeah, I’m very, very excited. The park in itself is a great reason. Oh, I’m there. Good. Yeah, absolutely. The park have fun of us. Park by itself is a great reason to go. Plus, we’re gonna have community members. Plus, John Fraser is going to give us a personal one on one tour of the park and a q&a. You can’t miss this.

George Ward
Yeah. Imagine having the one person that can answer every single question you have about the fountain of youth there to specifically answer your questions. And for those of you that can’t make it, we’re gonna live streaming like we did San Francisco, it’s not really going to be the same. But we’ll still try to take questions over chat and get them to John. So if you absolutely can’t make it, you’ll at least have that to fall back on.

Bradley Hodges
Absolutely. I hope anybody that wants to can. And if you can’t definitely join on that. That was one of my favorite parts about San Francisco meetup as well. We had a lot of people watching the live stream and we got some great questions from the community members that couldn’t come so they can still be a part of the meetup.

George Ward
The second announcement so one other thing for the community. And I’m going to cut this out if it if it doesn’t happen the way I plan on happening. All of us are sort of enamored with with John Powell and car with his art we obsess over his art, but none of us can afford it. Right? John Palenque, cars paintings are like $40,000 We can’t go out and buy a painting and hanging on our wall. The podcast has gotten podcast, bought some art, some John Powell and car art. And we’re going to auction it off. We’re going to auction it off to benefit St. Jude, the money is going to go directly to St. Jude, we’re going to put it up on eBay. When you bid on it, it’s going to have a disclaimer, we don’t even touch the money just goes directly to St Jude. So soon, you’re going to have the opportunity to buy your own original jonji Palancar art hanging on your wall, do whatever you want to with it to benefit the St. Jude’s Children’s Hospital. So I am super excited about that. I’ve never held Palancar before, but I’m gonna get the chance. And then I’m going to immediately like sell it. It’s going to be crazy.

Bradley Hodges
That’s amazing that we went to Ohio when we went to the Canton Museum of Art, who we got to see his works on display. The only thing that I missed was the opportunity to take a piece with me home because I just do not make that amount of money and having the opportunity. And believe me guys, I’m going to be bidding on this as well. But to have the opportunity to own an original John Jude Palin car piece of art. I mean, come on. That’s that’s a once in a lifetime opportunity. So I’m super stoked about this.

George Ward
And I mean, we couldn’t go all out. We couldn’t get your secret painting. But I think you’ll like I think we all like what we scored for you. So that’s coming up. I know the coming Unity has been super, super gracious in the past. And I hope you guys will support St. Jude. And I hope you guys I hope whoever wins will enjoy it.

Bradley Hodges
I guess that’s a What’s the buy me something? I’ll take it.

George Ward
Yeah, I really want a painting of Palenque cars called Ghost punch. I think it’s $65,000. So if you’ve got that lying around, and you really want to support the podcast, if you could just buy that painting, it would be great.

Bradley Hodges
So mine is called becoming human. And I think it was only 18,000. So I’m just saying mine will be a lot easier to make happen and George’s

George Ward
the podcast has been doing some cool stuff lately, we’ve been doing some live streams. We’re going to be doing a live stream about the San Francisco meetup shortly actually, you’ll probably see that before this comes out. You can find our Facebook page at facebook.com/groups/the Secret treasures. And if you want to support the podcast consider donating to us on Patreon. Patreon is a as a site that allows you to support your favorite content creators you can join for like five bucks a month and you get some you get some extra stuff we’ve we’re giving out an additional signed John Palancar art print to our Patreon members.

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